Quantum Entanglement, and Information.

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of transferring information via quantum entanglement and the implications for faster-than-light communication. Participants explore various interpretations and scenarios related to quantum mechanics, including the double-slit experiment and the nature of measurement outcomes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the possibility of transferring information through quantum entanglement, citing existing interpretations of quantum mechanics that deem the concept meaningless.
  • One participant proposes a scenario involving a polarized light stream in a double-slit experiment, suggesting that measurement choices could influence outcomes and potentially allow for information transfer with zero or negative delay.
  • Another participant counters that while measurement outcomes are random, determining which measurement decoheres the entanglement might allow for signaling, though this idea faces criticism from others.
  • Several participants reference the "no-communication theorem," asserting that current understanding suggests faster-than-light communication is impossible.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the randomness of measurement outcomes in quantum mechanics, which complicates the idea of controlled information transfer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of using quantum entanglement for information transfer, with some asserting it is impossible while others explore hypothetical scenarios that challenge this view. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics and the unresolved nature of the proposed scenarios involving the double-slit experiment. The discussion also highlights the complexities surrounding measurement and entanglement.

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I'm not all that learned in Quantum Physics, but I read about this, and it piqued my interest.

I read that the minimum speed that's been found for Quantum Entanglement, according to research done by Prof. Juan Yin and colleagues at the USTC in Shanghai, is 10 000c. This doesn't rule out the possibility of it being instantaneous, of course, but that's still mindblowing, even if it isn't.

My question is as follows.

Is it theoretically possible to transfer information via Entanglement, and, if it is, would it be possible to develop faster-than-light communication?

Thanks!

Source: http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-entanglement-speed-10000-faster-light/26587/
 
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Dewgale said:
Is it theoretically possible to transfer information via Entanglement, and, if it is, would it be possible to develop faster-than-light communication?

It is not possible to transfer information through quantum entanglement. There are a number of previous threads on the subject in this subforum - a search with keyword "communication" might be good enough to find them.

Be aware also that there are interpretations of quantum mechanics in which the phrase "the speed of quantum entanglement" is meaningless.
 
I was also wondering about this issue and I think I've read every discussion on this forum on this topic but I still did't see one possibility studied: the information bit being transmitted on a lightSTREAM instead of a single partilcle.
Suppose you have a setting of the double slit experiment on both transmitter(A) and receiver(B) side. Suppose you have a polirized lightstream of entangled particles send both ways. If you put a polirizer in fron of each slit on side A thus learning which one each particle got throuh, the wave functions of these will collapse, the wave pattern on the sreen will be gone and the same will happen on side B. So you can send a relatively slow stream of bits (buy measuring/not measuring on side A) but with 0 or negative? delay.
 
b0b's face said:
Suppose you have a setting of the double slit experiment on both transmitter(A) and receiver(B) side. Suppose you have a polirized lightstream of entangled particles send both ways. If you put a polirizer in fron of each slit on side A thus learning which one each particle got throuh, the wave functions of these will collapse, the wave pattern on the sreen will be gone and the same will happen on side B. So you can send a relatively slow stream of bits (buy measuring/not measuring on side A) but with 0 or negative? delay.
You cannot control the measurement outcome - whatever measurement results you get on your A measurement is completely random.
 
Dewgale said:
Is it theoretically possible to transfer information via Entanglement, and, if it is, would it be possible to develop faster-than-light communication?

Everything we know today says it’s impossible.

I played with the thought to see if I could find a crack in the “no-communication wall”. But good old Einstein is still rigorous on the “FTL Bookkeeping”. :smile:

What’s wrong with this EPR-Bell FTL Gedankenexperiment?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=687294
 
b0b's face said:
Suppose you have a setting of the double slit experiment on both transmitter(A) and receiver(B) side. Suppose you have a polirized lightstream of entangled particles send both ways. If you put a polirizer in fron of each slit on side A thus learning which one each particle got throuh, the wave functions of these will collapse, the wave pattern on the sreen will be gone and the same will happen on side B. So you can send a relatively slow stream of bits (buy measuring/not measuring on side A) but with 0 or negative? delay.

It doesn’t work. This guy had the same idea, starts 25 min into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
 
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Fightfish said:
You cannot control the measurement outcome - whatever measurement results you get on your A measurement is completely random.

That is absolutely correct. However, if we could determine which one (of A & B) decohere the entanglement, it would (at least in principle) be possible to send a signal from Bob to Alice.

But Einstein is not too fond of this idea... ;)
 

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