Quantum Gravity: Explaining the Theory Without Math

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum gravity, exploring various theories and models without delving into the mathematical complexities. Participants express a desire for explanations that are accessible without requiring advanced mathematical knowledge.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there is currently no consensus model for quantum gravity and that various approaches exist without a fully worked-out theory.
  • One participant suggests reading popular science books by Lee Smolin for a more accessible understanding of quantum gravity.
  • A simplified explanation offered describes quantum gravity as a mixture of quantum mechanics and general relativity.
  • There is mention of two main approaches to quantum gravity: treating gravity as a force mediated by a hypothetical particle called a graviton, and viewing space-time as discrete rather than smooth and continuous.
  • Participants express that understanding quantum mechanics and general relativity requires a high level of mathematical knowledge, which complicates the discussion.
  • A question is raised regarding whether string theorists consider the discrete approach to quantum gravity and why loop quantum gravity (LQG) seeks to find gravitons within its framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is no fully established theory of quantum gravity, and multiple competing views remain regarding the approaches to the topic. The discussion reflects a mix of exploratory reasoning and contested viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding due to the complex mathematics involved in both quantum mechanics and general relativity, as well as the unresolved nature of the theories of quantum gravity.

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I know there is a theory regarding quantum gravity. Can anyone explains it to me how it works? I did try seaeching online, but all that is shown are the math which I don't even understand.
 
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If you check out this forum, you'll see lots and lots of theories concerning quantum gravity -- there is currently no consensus model, nor are we particularly close to one.

Did you have one particular model in mind?
 
TimeRip496 said:
I know there is a theory regarding quantum gravity. Can anyone explains it to me how it works? I did try seaeching online, but all that is shown are the math which I don't even understand.
I think you should read some popular books of Lee Smolin, such as "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" and "The Trouble with Physics".
 
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Short words I would explain it like that:Quantum gravity is mixture of quantum mechanics and general relativity:biggrin:
 
TimeRip496 said:
I know there is a theory regarding quantum gravity. Can anyone explains it to me how it works? I did try seaeching online, but all that is shown are the math which I don't even understand.

Your premise is basically false. There is no theory regarding quantum gravity that has been fully worked out. There are a variety of approaches to coming up with a theory of quantum gravity that works, and some good hunches about how it should work in particular situations, but so far the set of theories of quantum gravity that work is a null set.

The difficult math comes with the territory. Really understanding quantum mechanics requires introductory graduate school/senior year undergraduate level math for math/physics majors degree of mathematical knowledge to really grasp. General relativity also requires seriously difficult math.

There are two main approaches to quantum gravity. One is to treat gravity as one more force carried by a hypothetical particle called a graviton. The other is to treat space-time as if it is not perfectly smooth, continuous and flat, and is instead discrete in some sense. Neither, however, can claim the prize of successfully coming up with a mathematically rigorous way to unite General Relativity and the Standard Model of particle physics.
 
ohwilleke said:
Your premise is basically false. There is no theory regarding quantum gravity that has been fully worked out. There are a variety of approaches to coming up with a theory of quantum gravity that works, and some good hunches about how it should work in particular situations, but so far the set of theories of quantum gravity that work is a null set.

The difficult math comes with the territory. Really understanding quantum mechanics requires introductory graduate school/senior year undergraduate level math for math/physics majors degree of mathematical knowledge to really grasp. General relativity also requires seriously difficult math.

There are two main approaches to quantum gravity. One is to treat gravity as one more force carried by a hypothetical particle called a graviton. The other is to treat space-time as if it is not perfectly smooth, continuous and flat, and is instead discrete in some sense. Neither, however, can claim the prize of successfully coming up with a mathematically rigorous way to unite General Relativity and the Standard Model of particle physics.

do string m theorists ever consider the second approach to QG? and why do lqg try to find gravitons in their own approach?
 

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