Graduate Quantum measurement operators with Poisson distribution

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The discussion centers on adapting the Poisson distribution to include an additional parameter for controlling its shape while maintaining the completeness condition for quantum measurement operators. The Poisson distribution is defined as Pr(M|λ) = (e^−λλ^M)/(M!), and its integral property ensures normalization. However, introducing a second parameter, such as μ, complicates the distribution, as it would no longer be a Poisson distribution. The Beta function is suggested as a potential alternative for shaping the distribution, but participants express difficulty in defining the measurement operators using this function while satisfying the completeness condition. The conversation highlights the challenge of balancing the mathematical properties of quantum measurement with the desired flexibility in probability distribution shapes.
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The following is a somewhat mathematical question, but I am interested in using the idea to define a set of quantum measurement operators defined as described in the answer to this post.

Question:
The Poisson Distribution ##Pr(M|\lambda)## is given by $$Pr(M|\lambda) = \frac{e^{-\lambda}\lambda^M}{M!}~~~~M = 0,1,2...$$ with mean ##\lambda##. In addition, the distribution has the property that $$\int_{0}^{\infty} Pr(M|\lambda) d \lambda = 1~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(*)$$ as is proved in the post. I am interested in adapting this Poisson Distribution so that it can include an additional parameter (say ##\mu##) which determines the width of the distribution (much like the variance does for the normal distribution. Does anyone have any ideas of how this can be achieved while still maintaining that property ##(*)## holds?

Note I want to specifically work with the poisson distribution rather than the normal distribution due to how the shape of the poisson distribution at zero.

Thanks for your time and let me know if you have any queries.
 
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It can't be done. If you add another parameter it is not a Poisson distribution. You need a 2-param function lke a beta function that starts at 0 and can be shaped by the parameters. There are some plots in this document
 
Thanks for your response. I have previously defined a set of quantum measurement operators by $$A_C = \sum _M \sqrt{Pr(M|C)} |M \rangle \langle M|~~~~~~~~~~~(*)$$ where ##Pr(M|C)## is the Poisson distribution $$Pr(M|C) = \frac{e^{-C}C^M}{M!}~~~~M = 0,1,2...$$ with mean ##C## and ##|M \rangle## are eigenstates of some observable and where there are finite members of ##\{ |M \rangle \}_M##. In order to be a suitable Kraus measurement operators I need the set of operators to satisfy the *completeness condition* $$\int_{C}A_C^{\dagger}A_C dC = I.$$

This is satisfied if I use the Poisson Distribution since $$
\int_0^\infty \mathrm{Pr}(M|C) \: \mathrm dC
= \int_0^\infty \frac{e^{-C}C^M}{M!} \mathrm dC
=1,
$$

The problem is that I want more control of the shape of the probability ##Pr(M|C)##, which is not allowed when using the standard Poisson Distribution. The Beta function as you proposed does allow freedom to manipulate the shape of the distribution but I am having difficulty seeing how we can define ##A_C## in the way above ##(*)## so that the completeness condition is satisified. Is it at all clear to you how this can be done in some way?
 
If you want discrete outcomes then one could divide the x-range into intervals ##i_n## and write ##P(x\in i_n) =B \int_n^{n+1}\beta(x;a,b)dx## from which your *completeness condition* follows if ##B^{-1}=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\beta(x;a,b)dx ##
 
Thanks for your response but I'm not really following your reasoning as to how you would define the measurement operators ##A_C = \sum_{m}\sqrt{Pr(M|C)}|M \rangle \langle M|## using the Beta functions. In my scheme above using the Poisson distribution, I used the mean ##C## as the index for the measurement operators ##\{A_C\}_C## and then used the fact that ##\int_{0}^{\infty}Pr(M|C)dC = 1## to show that the *completenes relation* ##\int A_{C}A_{C}^{\dagger}dC = I## is satisfied.. Explicitly how are you proposing to define measurement operators with the Beta function?
 
@Mentz114
Is the idea you are referring to something like this:
Define $$A_{C} := \sum_{x}\sqrt{\text{Pr} (x|n)}|x \rangle \langle x |$$ where $$\text{Pr}(x|n) :=
\begin{align}
\begin{cases}\text{Pr}(x \in i_n) = \frac{\int_{n}^{n+1}\beta(x: \alpha, \beta)}{\int_{0}^{\infty}\beta(x:\alpha, \beta)}~~~~~~\text{if }x \in i_n\\ 0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\text{if } x \notin i_n
\end{cases}
\end{align}$$

Hence ##\sum_n A_n^{\dagger}A_n = \sum_{x}\bigg[\sum_n \text{Pr(x|n)} \bigg]|x \rangle \langle x | = I##
 
Danny Boy said:
@Mentz114
Is the idea you are referring to something like this:

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Hence ##\sum_n A_n^{\dagger}A_n = \sum_{x}\bigg[\sum_n \text{Pr(x|n)} \bigg]|x \rangle \langle x | = I##
I don't know. I don't understand what you've written. I would write
<br /> \text{Pr}(i=n) = \frac{\int_{x_n}^{x_{n+1}}dx\beta(x: \alpha, \beta)}{\int_{0}^{\infty}dx\beta(x:\alpha, \beta)}<br />
where the ##x_n## are the boundaries of your your discrete regions. ##i## is a discrete random variable that depends on ##x## and the ##x_n##. It can betailored to suit.
 

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