Quantum mechanics - creation and annihilation operators

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the expectation value for the momentum operator in the context of the quantized harmonic oscillator. Participants are exploring the properties and definitions of creation and annihilation operators as they relate to this problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expressing the momentum operator in terms of creation and annihilation operators and consider the implications of self-adjointness. There are attempts to apply the momentum operator to the state |n> and to use commutation relations for further evaluation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative methods for approaching the problem, while others express uncertainty about specific terms, such as "self-adjoint." There is a recognition of different approaches, but no explicit consensus on the final evaluation has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the use of dimensionless versions of operators and the importance of including units in the final answer. There is also a mention of the need to clarify definitions and properties related to self-adjoint operators.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate <n|p^2|n>
where p is the momentum operator for the quantised harmonic oscillator.

Homework Equations



creation operator: a+|n>=sqrt(n+1)|n+1>
annihilation operator: a|n>=sqrt(n)|n-1>

The Attempt at a Solution



the operator p can be defined in terms of the creation and annihilation operators, ie. p = (-i/sqrt{2})(a-a+)

I also wrote down that for the quantised harmonic oscillator p = -(ihbar).(partial derivative wrt x) and so p^2= -(hbar)^2.(partial derivative wrt x)^2

I'm stuck on what to do next? How do I evaluate <n|p^2|n> ?
 
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use the fact that \left| n \right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{n!}} (a^{\dagger})^n \left| 0 \right\rangle and then use the commutation relations for the a's

note you will need to workout [a^n, a^{\dagger}] and other similar ones write if you have trouble
 
What do you get if you apply p to |n>?

\vert\psi\rangle = \hat{p}\vert n\rangle = \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}(\hat{a}^\dagger-\hat{a})\vert n\rangle = \cdots

Once you have that, you can use the fact that p is self-adjoint so that

\langle \psi \vert \psi \rangle = \langle n \vert \hat{p}^\dagger \hat{p} \vert n \rangle = \langle n \vert \hat{p}^2 \vert n \rangle

You could also do it the way sgd37 suggested, but it's a bit more tedious for this particular problem.
 
Thank you both! Vela I had done it a longer way and then just realized your way would have been so much easier lol oh well. What does self adjoint mean again?

I got n+1/2 as my answer which i think is correct!?
 
That's what I got. Don't forget to add the units back in if necessary. You're using the dimensionless version of the momentum operator.
 
A self-adjoint operator \hat{A} is an operator for which
\hat{A}^\dagger = \hat{A} (there are also some technical requisites, but they shouldn't concern you now). Since all self-adjoint operators have real eigenvalues, they correspond to observables (which have real values when measured). On the other way round, an observable must therefore be self-adjoint, and so the position operator \hat{x} and the momentum operator \hat{p} are postulated to be self-adjoint.
 

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