Quantum Mechanics Operator/eigenstates problem

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving the measurement of operators A and B, where the states |a0> and |a1> are eigenstates of operator A. The problem asks for the probability of measuring zero for operator A after the system is measured with operator B, which transforms the states in a specific manner.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the measurements of operators A and B, questioning how to calculate the probabilities associated with the eigenstates and their overlaps. There is uncertainty about the meaning of the probability calculations and the implications of the initial state of the system.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted to clarify the process of calculating probabilities and the significance of the initial state before measurements. Others express confusion regarding the setup of the problem and the interpretation of the measurements, indicating a need for further exploration of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of information about the initial state of the system before any measurements are made, which some participants suggest may not be critical to the problem. However, the implications of this missing information are acknowledged as potentially significant.

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Homework Statement



A quantic system can be found in the states |a0> and |a1>, and those are eigenstates of the operator A with the respective eigenvalues: 0 and 1. Consider the operator B defined by: B|a0> = 7|a0> - 24i|a1> and B|a1> = 24i|a0> - 7|a1>.

After measured by the operator B the system is in the state |a0> , right after that measure the observable described by A is measured. What is the probability of this measure yealding zero?

Homework Equations



I already found the eigenvalues of B they are -25 and +25.

And its eigenstates:

|bλ=-25> = (4/5)|a0> - i(3/5)|a1>

|bλ=25> = (3/5)|a0> + i(4/5)|a1>

Those are correct.

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, I am not sure on how to do this. Probability of |bλ=±25> colapsing on |a0> and then probability of |a0> colapsing on zero? How would you do it? I actually have a correction but I don't really understand it =\

The correction is as follows:


Pa0(bλ=25) = |<bλ=25|a0>|^2 = (4/5)^2

Pbλ25(a0=0) = |<a0|bλ=25>|^2 = (4/5)^2

Pa0(bλ=25,a0=0) = (4/5)^4



Pa0(bλ=-25) = |<bλ=-25|a0>|^2 = (3/5)^2

Pbλ25(a0=0) = |<a0|bλ=-25>|^2 = (3/5)^2

Pa0(bλ=-25,a0=0) = (3/5)^4


Total Probability = (4/5)^4 + (3/5)^4


It does make some sense, but some things I just don't get.

First, probability of |bλ=25> colapsing into |a0>, ok, but.. what is the square for? Doesn't the <bλ=25|a0> already do it? doesn't it mean "the probability of bλ colapsing in a0" ?

Second, probability of a0 colapsing into zero,ok , but then I don't understand why is it equal to the one above it, only it is the other way around.. isn't it the same thing?

Then you multiply the probabilities, do the same for the other eigenvalue and add, that makes sense.

Another thing I don't really understand very well is how the actual values, the results in front, are actually obtained.

I hope someone is able to help me. Thanks in advance for any attention.
 
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tsumi said:
After measured by the operator B the system is in the state |a0> , right after that measure the observable described by A is measured. What is the probability of this measure yealding zero?

This is confusing. I can't work out what the question is meant to be. There is some system to begin with, right? And then a measurement of the variable represented by B is made on the system. And then after that, a measurement of the variable represented by A is made on the system? And we are meant to work out the probability that the second measurement will give zero. Did I get all this right? So what is the state meant to be at the beginning, before any measurements were made?
 
It seams we are meant to work out the probability of after measuring the system with B and it becoming in state a0, getting the result 0 with the operator A. It's like a composed probability, something like that, one probability times the other.

The state at the beginning isn't told, I suppose it's not important, since you are told you are in state a0 after the measuring of B.
 
(sorry I've taken a while to reply). So you mean that the system is measured with B, and then measured with A, we want to know the probability that this measurement with A will yield zero?

This will surely depend on the state at the beginning. For example, the state might have been an eigenstate of B, in which case the measurement of B will leave the state unchanged, and we know that the eigenstates of B each have a different overlap with the a0 state, and therefore will have a different probability of getting the zero result.

P.S. also, I had a go at calculating the eigenstates of B, and I think you have got them the wrong way around (i.e. -25 and 25 mixed up)?
 

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