Quantum Optics or Particle Theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for graduate school applications in physics, specifically comparing interests in particle physics and quantum optics. Participants explore the importance of choosing a concentration, future job prospects in both fields, and general advice for students entering graduate studies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Tom, expresses interest in both particle physics and quantum optics and seeks advice on how important it is to decide on a concentration before applying to graduate school.
  • Another participant suggests that while it's beneficial to have a focus, it's not strictly necessary to have made a decision by the time of application, emphasizing the importance of honesty about interests.
  • Concerns are raised about the saturation of the particle physics job market, with one participant noting that competitive academic positions are hard to secure unless one attends a top program and excels.
  • In contrast, optics is described as more applied and potentially offering better opportunities in industry, though academic job prospects remain uncertain.
  • Another participant mentions that fields of physics can fluctuate in popularity and job prospects, suggesting that personal interest should guide the choice of field.
  • There is a shared sentiment about the importance of being realistic regarding academic career opportunities, with some participants advocating for pursuing interests that also allow for non-academic career paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that personal interest should play a significant role in choosing a field, but there is no consensus on the job market conditions for particle physics versus optics, as opinions vary on the competitiveness and opportunities in each area.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding job prospects in both fields and the unpredictability of which areas may become more favorable in the future. There is also a recognition of the need for transferable skills in the job market.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering graduate studies in physics, particularly those weighing interests in particle physics versus optics, as well as those seeking insights into career prospects in academia and industry.

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I'm interested in both, getting ready to apply to graduate school - particle and nuclear physics is incredibly interesting to me, but also I am writing my UG thesis on the Jaynes-Cummings model in optics. The main questions I have as I try to decide would be:

1) How important is it to be decided on a concentration ENTERING/APPLYING FOR grad school (obviously, one would need to make up their mind quickly)?

2) What do future prospects look like in the two fields? I have heard much about particle physics being over-saturated and the like, but haven't heard much of anything about optics.

I'm trying (obviously) to make an informed decision as I decide where to apply and what to apply for, so any comments would be great, thanks!

Tom
 
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1. Not terribly. You should probably have made up your mind within the first year, but even that isn't a hard and fast rule. Schools like to have an idea of your interests so that they can match their incoming class distribution with the resources that they foresee themselves having. No matter how stellar their GRE scores, there are few departments that can reasonably sustain more than a half-dozen new students a year in any given subfield.

Just be honest with them about what your interests are - if you get there and decide that you want to do particles, but tailored your application only around your interest in optics, there might not be any money for you and you'll be teaching labs for 5 years. =(

2. Particle physics is definitely saturated, and it is extremely competitive. Unless you go to a top-10 program in particles AND do something amazing while you're there, it's going to be hard to find an academic job, and unless you find that you love programming computers, you won't learn many transferable skills to industrial science. Optics on the other hand is much more applied and lends itself to research in industry, though I can't really promise that academic job prospects are any better than particle physics.
 
Haha that sounds pretty bleak... it raises the question What are good fields to go into?
 
That is the million dollar question, eh? As a condensed matter guy, I like to think that my future prospects are at least decent. I think as far as subfields of physics go, AMO is going to be pretty safe as well. Of course if you do anything that involves machining, electronics, programming, material fabrication, etc. then your job opportunities expand dramatically.

I want to be a professor after I get my Ph.D., but it's best to be honest about academic career opportunities - if you're lucky enough to be interested in something that can also sustain a non-academic career, I say run with it!
 
What field is hot changes all the time and is largely random - usually driven by a sudden burst of valuable new knowledge in the area. Since that can't really be predicted, you ought to just go into whatever area interests you the most.
 
will.c said:
I want to be a professor after I get my Ph.D., but it's best to be honest about academic career opportunities - if you're lucky enough to be interested in something that can also sustain a non-academic career, I say run with it!
That's kind of where I'm headed, too, hopefully... the eventual goal is to teach physics at the university level (and hopefully find something useful to work on as well). I guess there's nothing I should really do but be honest about what interests me and see where it goes. Thanks! :)
 

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