Quantum physics and relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between quantum physics and special relativity, specifically exploring whether quantum phenomena such as uncertainty and superposition could be consequences of relativistic effects. Participants also touch on concepts like particle spin and the implications of quantum mechanics in the context of relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if quantum physics could be related to special relativity, suggesting that particles spinning faster than light might explain quantum effects.
  • Another participant directly challenges this idea, stating the initial claim is incorrect.
  • A separate contribution mentions the speed of electrons in a Bohr atom, providing a specific value related to the speed of light.
  • Discussion includes the application of quantum limits to gravitation, referencing Planck density in black holes and the universe.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the concept of particles spinning faster than light and compares the idea of encoding quantum mechanics as a relativistic effect to hidden variable theories.
  • A participant points out that special relativity has been incorporated into quantum mechanics, citing the Dirac equation as an example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the initial claim regarding the relationship between quantum physics and special relativity. Multiple competing views remain, particularly concerning the interpretation of quantum phenomena and their connection to relativistic concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and relativity, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of particle behavior at relativistic speeds.

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hello,

how can we be sure that quantum physics (uncertainty,superposition) is not a consequence or directly related to special relativity. for example particles spinning faster than light could explain many quantum effects, or i am wrong?
 
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you are wrong
 
the speed of the electron in a bohr atom is 1/137 * c
 
You can apply quantum limits to gravitation.
For example the highest density inside a black hole, or in the universe is the Planck density...
 
What does it mean for a particle to spin faster than light?

Also, "encoding" quantum mechanics as a relativistic effect seems like just a variant of hidden variable theories.
 
scope said:
hello,

how can we be sure that quantum physics (uncertainty,superposition) is not a consequence or directly related to special relativity. for example particles spinning faster than light could explain many quantum effects, or i am wrong?

When you make a statement like this, are you aware that SR has been fully incorporated into quantum mechanics? See the Dirac equation, for example.

Now, would you like to rephrase your question in light of that piece of information?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ = Ophiolite? (http://www.thescienceforum.com )

If you 2 arent the same person then you certainly are related to each other.
 
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granpa said:
ZapperZ = Ophiolite? (http://www.thescienceforum.com )

If you 2 arent the same person then you certainly are related to each other.
I doubt it since he really is ZapperZ. :biggrin:

http://physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com/"
 
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granpa said:
ZapperZ = Ophiolite? (http://www.thescienceforum.com )

If you 2 arent the same person then you certainly are related to each other.

How are we related to each other?

In any case, this is rather off-topic and irrelevant.

Zz.
 
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