Quantum Question: Help Understanding GUP Proof in Document

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific step in the proof of the Generalised Uncertainty Principle (GUP) as presented in a lecture document. Participants are examining the mathematical relationships and definitions involved in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on expectation values and variance calculations.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the transition between specific lines in the proof, questioning how certain terms are derived and their implications. There are inquiries about the handling of squared terms and the introduction of imaginary units in the equations.

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Some participants are providing insights into the definitions and equivalences of variance in quantum mechanics, while others are seeking further clarification on specific mathematical steps. Multiple interpretations of the terms and their implications are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants are working with a specific document and are constrained by the definitions and mathematical structures presented therein. There is an ongoing examination of how different terms relate to one another within the context of the proof.

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Just reading through my notes and found a step I can't follow:

If you look at p3 of the follwing document, one of the lines in the proof of the Generalised Uncertainty Principle has a (2) next to it. I can't get from the line before it to that line.

Can anyone help me out?

http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/teaching/course-notes/documents/64/786-lecture5.pdf


thanks
 
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Use, equation (1) on that page to show that [\hat{X},\hat{Y}]=[\hat{A},\hat{B}], then use the definition of expectation value
 
hey. thanks. i have another question about it though.

in the line before (2), how does the (\Delta \hat{A}_t)^2 term work? Surely when we square \hat{X}, we get (\Delta \hat{A}_t)^2 as well as other stuff arising from the cross terms?

also in the very last line, where does he get the i in the RHS from - I'm assuming it's so that we end up with a \geq not a \leq but i don't follow it...

thanks
 
By definition, (\Delta \hat{A}_t)^2=(\hat{A}-\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t)^2=\hat{X}^2

And the i is just a way to account for the negative sign since \langle i [\hat{A},\hat{B}]\rangle_t^2=i^2\langle [\hat{A},\hat{B}]\rangle_t^2=-\langle[\hat{A},\hat{B}]\rangle_t^2
 
but \Delta \hat{A}_t = \sqrt{\langle \hat{A^2}_t \rangle - \langle \hat{A}_t \rangle^2}

so why do you get what you've written?
 
The two definitions are equivalent:

(\hat{A}-\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t)^2=\hat{A}^2-2\hat{A}\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t+\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t^2

\implies \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \Psi^{*}(x,t)(\hat{A}-\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t)^2\Psi(x,t)dx=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \Psi^{*}(x,t)\hat{A}^2\Psi(x,t)dx-2\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \Psi^{*}(x,t)\hat{A}\Psi(x,t)dx+\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t^2\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \Psi^{*}(x,t)\Psi(x,t)dx

=\langle\hat{A}^2\rangle_t-2\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t^2+\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t^2=\langle\hat{A}^2\rangle_t-\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t^2=(\Delta\hat{A}_t)^2

\implies (\Delta\hat{A}_t)^2=(\hat{A}-\langle\hat{A}\rangle_t)^2

since they both integrate to the same thing
 

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