Quantum View of Electron and Photon

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The discussion revolves around the nature of electrons and photons, exploring their properties, relationships, and theoretical implications within quantum mechanics. Topics include the mass-energy equivalence, the characteristics of elementary particles, and the potential for conversion between different types of particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether an electron is a packet of matter while a photon is a packet of energy, or if a photon serves merely as a force carrier.
  • There is a proposal that the mass of an electron can be converted into energy, and subsequently into photons, although others clarify that this conversion occurs during electron-positron annihilation.
  • Participants discuss the concept of a photon having zero rest mass, raising the question of how energy relates to mass through the equation E=mc².
  • The absence of charged particles with full integer spin is questioned, with a participant noting that the W meson is an example of a charged particle with integer spin.
  • Some participants explore the theoretical possibility of converting a boson into a fermion, suggesting it may occur in speculative Grand Unified Theories, but not within the Standard Model.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between electrons, photons, and electromagnetic radiation, as well as the broader implications of these particles in theoretical frameworks like strings or branes.

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Participants express various viewpoints, with some points of contention regarding the nature of photons and the conversion of particles. The discussion remains unresolved on several questions, particularly concerning the theoretical implications of particle interactions and properties.

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Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and particle physics, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes speculative ideas that are not confirmed within established theories.

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Quantum View of the Electron and Photon

Sorry if the questions sound too amateurish.

1. Is electron a packet of matter, while a photon a packet of energy? or is photon just a force carrier?

2. Can the mass of an electron be converted into energy, and then into electromagnetic radiation
i.e. photons?

3. Rest mass of a photon is said to be zero. However, if photon is a packet of energy then wouldn't that energy theoretically correspond to some mass (via e=mc2)?

4. The electrons have half integer values as spin. How does QM explain the absence of a charged particle with full integer spin? or why

5. Can a Boson be converted (at east theoretically) into a Fermion?

i.e can matter (?) be converted into a force carrier?

6. A photon is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Electron is part of electricity. Electricity can create an electromagnetic

7. Is space-time a-priori or Electromagnetic Radiation?
 
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Matter(electron-positron) can be created out of two large momentum photons and the mass of electrons is already measured in energy units - eV so no need to convert mass into energy.

Some similar questions motivate physicists to believe that all elemenary particles are aspects of something else - strings, branes, loops, something else entirely, etc. If it seems obvious and logical to me, it must be obvious to everyone else esp. to those with physics majors.
 
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San K said:
1. Is electron a packet of matter, while a photon a packet of energy? or is photon just a force carrier?
Both electrons and photons are pointlike elementary particles. A photon is not "just a packet of energy", it also carries momentum and spin, and most importantly it couples to the electromagnetic charge and current.

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2. Can the mass of an electron be converted into energy, and then into electromagnetic radiation i.e. photons?
Not by itself, but an electron can collide and annihilate with a positron, producing two photons. All of their energy goes into the energy of the photons directly, it's not correct to think of the conversion into energy as an intermediate step.

San K said:
3. Rest mass of a photon is said to be zero. However, if photon is a packet of energy then wouldn't that energy theoretically correspond to some mass (via e=mc2)?
In place of E = mc2 the more general relationship that holds for all particles is E2 = p2c2 + m2c4. So even a massless particle like the photon can have energy by virtue of its momentum.

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4. The electrons have half integer values as spin. How does QM explain the absence of a charged particle with full integer spin? or why
The W meson is an example of an elementary particle that has charge and integer spin.

San K said:
5. Can a Boson be converted (at east theoretically) into a Fermion?
Not in the Standard Model. It can happen in speculative "Grand Unified Theories".
 
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