Question 19 - quadratic probility problem

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The discussion revolves around a quadratic probability problem involving the manipulation of fractions and solving for a variable, n, in the context of a probability scenario. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and assumptions regarding the values of n.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to solve for n in the equation 7/(n+7) = 2/5, questioning the choice of n = 8 and exploring the implications of their calculations. There are discussions about the validity of having non-integer values for n and the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing different approaches to solving the equation and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the nature of n as a whole number, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of their findings.

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Participants are discussing the constraints of the problem, particularly the requirement that n represents a count of objects (balls), which cannot be fractional. This has led to questioning the assumptions made in the initial setup of the problem.

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a) (i) (x-14)(2x-7)
(ii) x = 14 or x = 3.5

b)
i) [tex]\frac{7}{n+7}[/tex]
ii) Take n to be 8

[tex]\frac{7}{8+7}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{7}{15}[/tex] that DOESN'T round down to [tex]\frac{2}{5}[/tex]

Is that all correct so far?
If so I will post the next (really hard) question)...

Thanks
 
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Why take n to be 8? Nothing is said about any value for n.
If 7/(n+7)= 2/5, SOLVE for n. What happens?
 
[tex]\frac{7}{n+7}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{2}{5}[/tex]

cross multiply!

[tex]\frac{35}{2n+14}[/tex]

now where?
 
Um...you're leaving out the equality part of the equation. Solve for n.
 
Alternatively, you can note that you have 35/(2n + 14) = 1. 35 is odd. 2n + 14 is even. Strange, isn't it?
 
uh? How does that equal 1?
 
Look, you're essentially supposed to say, "Suppose Bill is right. Suppose 7/(n + 7) = 2/5. Then such and such would follow." Why would the conclusion be a problem?
 
[tex]\frac{35}{2n+14}[/tex] = 1

now I need to get N on it's own (don't know how- please show). But I am guessing that n is greater than 3/5 so it CANT be right?
 
Multiply both sides of the equation by 2n + 14, so you end up with:

35 = 2n + 14
 
  • #10
silly me...

2n = 35-14
n = 10.5
EDIT: Which as a fraction is 10/1/2 which DOESN'T equal 2/5...am i right yet. I doubt that's right...
 
  • #11
You're getting there. What's the problem with n being 10.5. Look at your original assumptions. What are you tacitly assuming about the original n balls?
 
  • #12
you can't have 1/2 a ball... :bugeye:

am I right or am I right
 
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  • #13
Okay here is the rest of the question

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  • #14
Okay, what are your ideas on part (c)?
 
  • #15
(probability of taking white x probability of taking yellow) + (probability of taking yellow x probality of taking white)

Is that somthing to go from?

Thanks
 
  • #16
Yes, I'd go with that.
 
  • #17
I got it down now to [tex]\frac{14n}{2n^{2}+28n+98}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{4}{9}[/tex]

is that right so far?

EDIT: is the question is says -28n but I've got +28n


EDIT 2: O no it must be this so far

[tex]\frac{14n}{n^{2}+14n+49}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{4}{9}[/tex]
 
  • #18
got it!

[tex]\frac{4n^{2} + 56n + 196}{2}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{14n * 9}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\2n^{2} + 28n + 98[/tex] = [tex]68n[/tex]


[tex]\2n^{2} - 35n + 98 = 0[/tex]
 
  • #19
and the answer to d must be 1/9
x must be 14 as you can't have 3.5 balls
 
  • #20
All sounds good to me, well done :approve:
 

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