Question about average acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average acceleration of a bird flying from position A to position B over a time interval of 8.5 seconds, with given velocities at both positions expressed as vectors. The problem involves understanding vector components and their implications in the context of physics.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of average acceleration and the necessity of vector subtraction in the calculation. Some express confusion about handling the curved flight path and the vector nature of velocity. Others suggest focusing on the components of the velocities for the calculations.

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There is active engagement with participants offering guidance on how to approach the vector subtraction and component analysis. Some participants express uncertainty about the simplicity of the expected answer, while others clarify the need to consider the directional components of the velocities. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note that the problem is part of a grade 12 physics course and that the question includes a diagram of the bird's flight path, which may influence the understanding of the velocities involved. There is mention of the initial confusion stemming from the representation of angles and directions in the context of vector components.

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A bird takes 8.5s to fly from position A to Position B. Determine the birds average acceleration.

Velocity A = 4.4 m/s [31 Degrees S of E]
Velocity B = 7.8 m/s [25 Degrees N of E]
 
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highc said:
A bird takes 8.5s to fly from position A to Position B. Determine the birds average acceleration.

Velocity A = 4.4 m/s [31 Degrees S of E]
Velocity B = 7.8 m/s [25 Degrees N of E]

?? Do you know the definition of "average acceleration"??
 
Change in velocity/change in time = 0.4 m/s^2. I'm having a hard time believing that this is all that is expected as an answer, seems too simple. (This if for a grade 12 physics course). The question is accompanied by a diagram showing the birds curved flight path.
 
highc said:
Change in velocity/change in time = 0.4 m/s^2. I'm having a hard time believing that this is all that is expected as an answer, seems too simple. (This if for a grade 12 physics course). The question is accompanied by a diagram showing the birds curved flight path.
That's the definition except that you are forgetting that velocity is a vector .So the average acceleration is given by
[tex]{ {\vec v_f} - {\vec v_i} \over \Delta t}[/tex].
You need to do a vector subtraction and divide by delta t. Your answer will be a vector! (the average acceleration is a vector, as is the instantaneous acceleration)

Patrick
 
I am totally lost on this one. I don't know how to even start to do a vector subtraction with this one. I think my confusion stems from the fact that the bird is flying slightly upward on a curved path. The other examples in the book are nothing like this one. I just started this course, getting started is always the hardest part. Hoping someone can help.
 
Your first error was thinking of the velocities as "positions".

a vector has 3 components for example: (East, North, Up).
Each component is added or subtracted *separately* from the others
using regular algebra (with signs ... South is NEGATIVE North!).
Just keep each resulting component separate, in a list.

Do you know enough "triangle trig" to figure out how much of A is East?

Each component is divided by a scalar (like time) SEPARATELY.
Just keep the resulting components separate, in a list.
 
highc said:
I am totally lost on this one. I don't know how to even start to do a vector subtraction with this one. I think my confusion stems from the fact that the bird is flying slightly upward on a curved path. The other examples in the book are nothing like this one. I just started this course, getting started is always the hardest part. Hoping someone can help.
lightgrav already helped out a lot..

Just to add my two cents: you do NOT need to worry about the path of the bird. You just need to know the initial velocity and the final velocity and these you gave in your first post. Just find the x and y components of both velocities and subtract them separately.

To be more precise
[tex]A_{average,x} = { {v_{f,x} - v_{i,x} \over \Delta t}[/tex]
and the same for the y component.
 
Thank for the help. If anybody is ambitious enough to work this one out, can you confirm if the correct answer is:

0.41 m/s^2 [17 Degrees N of E]

(I arrived at this using for B, v(X) = 7.8cos25, v(y) = 7.8sin 25. For A, v(x) = 4.4cos31, v(y) = 4.4sin31. Then, a(x) = (7.1-3.8)/8.5 = 0.39, and a(y) = (3.3-2.3)/8.5 = 0.12. Then I found the tangent, to arrive at 17 Degrees)
 
Anybody?
 
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highc said:
Thank for the help. If anybody is ambitious enough to work this one out, can you confirm if the correct answer is:

0.41 m/s^2 [17 Degrees N of E]

(I arrived at this using for B, v(X) = 7.8cos25, v(y) = 7.8sin 25. For A, v(x) = 4.4cos31, v(y) = 4.4sin31. Then, a(x) = (7.1-3.8)/8.5 = 0.39, and a(y) = (3.3-2.3)/8.5 = 0.12. Then I found the tangent, to arrive at 17 Degrees)
Watch out. For A the angle is given as being *south of east*. That affects how you calculate the x and y components. Do you see how?
 

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