Question about Complex limits of definite integrals

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the gamma function and the evaluation of complex limits of definite integrals, particularly focusing on the validity of certain substitutions and the application of complex analysis concepts such as Cauchy's integral formula and the residue theorem.

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  • One participant questions the validity of the substitution used in the gamma function integral for complex values of the parameter a, noting that the substitution is valid for a > 0 and p > 0.
  • Another participant introduces a parameterized path for complex integration, suggesting a formula for proving the equality of integrals along different paths.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of integrals over parameterized paths and the implications of changing the integration path versus performing a complex change of variables.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the principal value and complex integrals, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the discussion involves applying the residue theorem in cases where no poles are present, and they mention the importance of understanding the conditions under which certain theorems apply.
  • A later reply discusses the construction of a loop for applying the residue theorem and the need to show that certain integrals approach zero in the limit.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of complex analysis to the problem, with some agreeing on the fundamental concepts while others remain uncertain about specific details. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to proving the integral properties discussed.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the parameters involved in the integrals, as well as the dependence on the definitions of complex integrals and the conditions under which theorems like the residue theorem apply.

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Hi, I see a formula of gamma function and i have a question.
(1) $$\Gamma (s) = \int_{0}^{\infty } e^{-x}\, x^{s-1} dx$$
(2) $$ x=a\, n^{p} \rightarrow dx=ap\, n^{p-1}dn$$
(3) $$\frac{\Gamma (s)}{pa^{s}} = \int_{0}^{\infty } e^{-an^{p}}\, n^{ps-1} dn$$

i understand the formula but why works for complex values of a?
i mean the substitution in (2) is valid for ##a > 0## and ##p>0##
Because otherwise the upper limit would be ##\pm \infty \, i ## or ## \infty \ \pm \infty \, i ##
Depending on the value of a.

thanks
 
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Let's define for all -\frac{\pi}{2}<\theta<\frac{\pi}{2} a line
<br /> \gamma_{\theta} = \{\tau e^{i\theta}\;|\; \tau\in\mathbb{R},\;0\leq \tau\}<br />
Do you know how to prove the formula
<br /> \int\limits_0^{\infty} e^{-x}x^{s-1}dx = \int\limits_{\gamma_{\theta}} e^{-z}z^{s-1}dz<br />
 
jostpuur said:
Let's define for all -\frac{\pi}{2}&lt;\theta&lt;\frac{\pi}{2} a line
<br /> \gamma_{\theta} = \{\tau e^{i\theta}\;|\; \tau\in\mathbb{R},\;0\leq \tau\}<br />
Do you know how to prove the formula
<br /> \int\limits_0^{\infty} e^{-x}x^{s-1}dx = \int\limits_{\gamma_{\theta}} e^{-z}z^{s-1}dz<br />
nope
 
By definition of an integral over a parameterized path the integral on right is the same as
<br /> \int\limits_{\gamma_{\theta}} e^{-z} z^{s-1} dz = \int\limits_0^{\infty} e^{-\tau e^{i\theta}} (\tau e^{i\theta})^{s-1} e^{i\theta} d\tau<br />
which is roughly the same thing you were asking about. For this reason it would be better to speak about modifying the integration path than performing "a complex change of variables". There is some theorem that states how the change of variable works, but the theorem assumes that the change of variable happens with real parameters, so if you try to apply "a complex change of variables", you are not obeying the assumptions of the theorem.

Next question is that do you know what Cauchy's integral formula and residue theorem are? If not, you'll have to study complex analysis to learn about those. The formula I asked about can be proven with Cauchy's integral formula (or residue theorem).
 
jostpuur said:
By definition of an integral over a parameterized path the integral on right is the same as
<br /> \int\limits_{\gamma_{\theta}} e^{-z} z^{s-1} dz = \int\limits_0^{\infty} e^{-\tau e^{i\theta}} (\tau e^{i\theta})^{s-1} e^{i\theta} d\tau<br />
which is roughly the same thing you were asking about. For this reason it would be better to speak about modifying the integration path than performing "a complex change of variables". There is some theorem that states how the change of variable works, but the theorem assumes that the change of variable happens with real parameters, so if you try to apply "a complex change of variables", you are not obeying the assumptions of the theorem.

Next question is that do you know what Cauchy's integral formula and residue theorem are? If not, you'll have to study complex analysis to learn about those. The formula I asked about can be proven with Cauchy's integral formula (or residue theorem).
I studied something on the subject But I do not quite understand it, I know that a complex integral Can be "separated" in the cauchy main value and on the path that follows the integral, so the trick Was to show that the path of the integral is 0, so the principal value and the complex integral are the same, the reason why the change of variable is right is because something like that?
 
No, this is not related to principal value stuff. By Cauchy's integral formula and residue theorem I meant these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy's_integral_formula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residue_theorem

I see that mentioning the Cauchy's integral formula was slightly confusing because there is no pole in sight in your problem, but anyway, of course Cauchy's integral formula is related in the sense that the residue theorem is based on it. In your problem we are going to apply the residue theorem in the special case that no poles are present, the value of the integral over a closed loop is going to be zero.

Was there a special name for a result that the value of a complex integral is zero, if there are no poles enclosed? I don't remember it anymore, if there was.

The formula
<br /> z\mapsto e^{-z}e^{(s-1)\log(z)}<br />
defines a complex analytic function on the set \mathbb{C}\setminus\;]-\infty,0] when we use the branch of logarithm that is continuous elsewhere but not on the line ]-\infty,0].

For simplicity, now we'll assume 0&lt;\theta&lt;\frac{\pi}{2}. We'll define a loop that consist of three pieces by setting
<br /> \gamma^{\textrm{arc}}_{\theta,R} = \big\{Re^{i\varphi}\;\big|\; 0\leq \varphi\leq\theta\big\}<br />
and
<br /> \gamma^{\textrm{line}}_{\theta,R} = \big\{\tau e^{i\theta}\;\big|\; 0\leq \tau\leq R\big\}<br />

The residue theorem will imply that
<br /> \int\limits_{[0,R]\cup \gamma^{\textrm{arc}}_{\theta,R}\cup \gamma^{\textrm{line}}_{\theta,R}} e^{-z}z^{s-1}dz = 0<br />
because there are no poles enclosed by this loop. The integral is the same as
<br /> \int\limits_0^R e^{-x}x^{s-1}dx + \int\limits_0^{\theta} e^{-Re^{i\varphi}}(Re^{i\varphi})^{s-1} iRe^{i\varphi} d\varphi<br /> - \int\limits_0^R e^{-\tau e^{i\theta}} (\tau e^{i\theta})^{s-1} e^{i\theta} d\tau<br />

Then you'll have to figure out a way to prove that the integral over the arc part goes to zero in the limit R\to\infty.
 
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thanks , even if i don't understand completely I know that the integral on a closed curve without poles is 0 so I got an idea of the general concept =D
 

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