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The discussion revolves around the properties of composing functions, specifically examining why F(G(X)) is an even function when F is even and G is either even or odd. Participants explore definitions and properties of even and odd functions, attempting to understand the implications of these definitions in more complex scenarios.

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  • One participant seeks to understand why F(G(X)) is even when F is even and G is either even or odd, using examples like (X^3+X^5)^2 and (X^2+X^4)^3.
  • Another participant suggests using the definitions of even and odd functions to analyze the signs of F(G(-x)) and F(G(x)).
  • Several participants reiterate the definition of even functions, stating that a function f is even if f(x)=f(-x) for all x.
  • In the case where G is even, it is noted that F(G(-x)) = F(G(x)), confirming that F(G(x)) is even.
  • For G being odd, it is discussed that F(G(-x)) = F(-G(x)), and since F is even, this leads to F(G(-x)) = F(G(x)), thus confirming that F(G(x)) is even.
  • Some participants express frustration with providing direct answers, emphasizing the importance of allowing others to think through the problem.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the properties of even and odd functions, including the relationship between F and G when discussing their compositions.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of even and odd functions and their implications in the context of function composition. However, there is some contention regarding the clarity of the explanation and whether the discussion is appropriate for a homework context.

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Some participants note that the discussion may lack clarity regarding the specific properties of F and G beyond their evenness or oddness, and there are unresolved aspects concerning the general behavior of F(G(X)).

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I am trying to give an explanation or proof as to why F(G(X)) is always an even function if F(X) is even and G(X) is either even or odd. I understand why in simple situations such as when the resulting function is (X^3)^2 or (X^2)^2. It's because the product of two even numbers OR an odd number and a even number are both even.

But what if the resulting function is something more complicated such as
(X^3+X^5)^2. At first I thought that the outside function determines the symmetry, but then I tried
(X^2+X^4)^3, where the outside function is odd, and realized that this function is also even. I am stumped on how to prove, or even put into words, the reason for this function behavior.
 
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Use the definitions of even and odd functions. In this case, viewing details yields little insight.
In other words, simply find the sign of F(G(-x)) vs. F(G(x)) using only the defining behavior of even and odd functions.
 
What are the properties of odd and even functions, in general?

Wow, super fast post by slider!
 
think about what it means for a function to be even, by definition of even function.

A function f is even if f(x)=f(-x) for all x.

Consider f(g(-x)).
we have two cases, g is even or g is odd, we will look at each individually.

if g is even then f(g(-x)) = f(g(x)) so f(g(x)) is even by definition of even.

Consider the case where g is odd (i.e. g(-x) = -g(x)). If g is odd we know (f(g(-x)) = f(-g(x)). but we know f is even so f(-x)=f(x) FOR ANY X (including g(x)). so f(-g(x)) = f(g(x)). But this means f(g(-x)) = f(g(x)) thus f(g(x)) is even.
 
Or you could just tell him the answer! This is probably a homework question (if not, it sure looks like one) but even if it's not, it's better to let someone think about the question and the definitions of the functions, than to simply tell him what to do!
 
slider142 said:
Use the definitions of even and odd functions. In this case, viewing details yields little insight.
In other words, simply find the sign of F(G(-x)) vs. F(G(x)) using only the defining behavior of even and odd functions.


In an even function all points are reflected across the Y axis. In other words for every point (X,Y) there is a corresponding point (-X,Y). The value of Y does not change when X is replaced by -X, i.e. F(-x)= F(X)

An odd function has an opposite value for Y when X is replaced by -x, i.e.
G(-x) = -G(x).
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So here are the most basic properties of even and odd functions,F is even and G is odd:

F(-X) = F(X)

G(-X)=-G(X)

F(G(X)) = X

F(G(-X)) = X

Is this what you mean?
 
JonF said:
think about what it means for a function to be even, by definition of even function.

A function f is even if f(x)=f(-x) for all x.

Consider f(g(-x)).
we have two cases, g is even or g is odd, we will look at each individually.

if g is even then f(g(-x)) = f(g(x)) so f(g(x)) is even by definition of even.

Consider the case where g is odd (i.e. g(-x) = -g(x)). If g is odd we know (f(g(-x)) = f(-g(x)). but we know f is even so f(-x)=f(x) FOR ANY X (including g(x)). so f(-g(x)) = f(g(x)). But this means f(g(-x)) = f(g(x)) thus f(g(x)) is even.

Thanks Jon that makes sense. So the first step is to realize that an opposite value of X on the inside odd function will yield an opposite value for that whole function G(X), then mentally replace -G(X) with -X and remember that for an even function F(-X)=F(X). That is so cool.
 
CausativeAgent said:
In an even function all points are reflected across the Y axis. In other words for every point (X,Y) there is a corresponding point (-X,Y). The value of Y does not change when X is replaced by -X, i.e. F(-x)= F(X)

An odd function has an opposite value for Y when X is replaced by -x, i.e.
G(-x) = -G(x).
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So here are the most basic properties of even and odd functions,F is even and G is odd:

F(-X) = F(X)

G(-X)=-G(X)

Up to that part, it's good.

F(G(X)) = X

This is only true if F is the inverse function of G. We don't know anything specific about F(G(X)) except that F is even and G is odd. But using the definitions we know, we can simplify the expression F(G(-X)), as Jon has done.
 

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