Question about equilibrium constant

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The discussion centers around the concept of the equilibrium constant in reversible chemical reactions, specifically addressing how different stoichiometric expressions of the same reaction can lead to different equilibrium constants. Participants explore the implications of this variability and seek clarification on the nature and significance of the equilibrium constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the equilibrium constant changes when the stoichiometric coefficients of a reaction are altered, questioning whether it is an arbitrary formula or has a deeper significance.
  • Another participant corrects a mathematical representation of the equilibrium constant, suggesting a different formulation.
  • A third participant acknowledges the correction and seeks to clarify whether the original question still makes sense.
  • Another participant raises a question about the relationship between the two equilibrium constants derived from different stoichiometric expressions.
  • One participant introduces a perspective on the molecular scale, arguing that the two reactions represent different scenarios involving different numbers of molecules, thus challenging the idea that they are the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on whether the two expressions represent the same reaction or the implications of the differing equilibrium constants. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the equilibrium constant.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions and implications of the equilibrium constant, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving it from chemical thermodynamics.

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I am having serious difficulty understanding the concept of the equilibrium constant in a reversible chemical reaction. Maybe one of you all can help?

Suppose we have the following reversible chemical reaction:

1) aA + bB <---> cC + dD

The equilibrium constant for the reaction is said to be:

Kc1 = [(A^a)(B^b)]/[(c^C)(d^D)]

Now, suppose that we express the above reaction differently, as follows:

2) 2aA + 2bB <---> 2cC + 2dD

My understanding is that these two chemical reactions are the exact same reaction, just expressed with different stoichiometric numbers.

The thing that boggles me, however, is that the second expression of the reaction has a different equilibrium constant than the first.

Kc2 = [(A^2a)(B^2b)]/[(C^2c)(D^2d)]

How can the equilibrium constant (and its associated equation) express or quantify an actual feature of a reaction (i.e., the extent to which it is shifted toward the product or the reactants) if it changes depending on how you express the reaction?

What does the equilbrium constant (and equation) mean? Is it an arbitrary formula used for convenience in solving chemical equilibrium problems that could just as easily be defined differently? Or is it something more?

I have read that you can actually derive the equation using chemical thermodynamics, so it can't just be a arbitrary ratio.

This is really confusing me. Can someone please help?

Thanks,
--Brian
 
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brianparks said:
Suppose we have the following reversible chemical reaction:

1) aA + bB <---> cC + dD

The equilibrium constant for the reaction is said to be:

Kc1 = [(A^a)(B^b)]/[(c^C)(d^D)

It should be: [tex]K_c = \frac{[C]^c [D]^d}{[A]^a <b>^b}</b>[/tex]
 
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Good point. I screwed that up. Anyway, does my question make any sense?
 
What's the relationship between your two "separate" equilibrium constants?
 
In addition to what others have said, think about the molecular scale of things. The first would be a bimolecular reaction, the second would represent a reaction involving four molecules assuming uniform constants (four molecule ~simultaneous collision)! The two reactions are indeed different. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the two are the same, remember these equations represent what's actually going on.
 

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