Question about ether cleavage by HBr

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The discussion centers on the mechanism of ether cleavage by HBr, specifically how a cyclic ether reacts when it steals a hydrogen from HBr, resulting in a +1 formal charge on oxygen. This charge prompts the ring to open as the carbon donates electrons to alleviate the charge, allowing the bromide anion to bond with the carbon. The protonated ether exists in equilibrium with HBr, leading to a slower SN2 attack by bromide on the alpha carbon, which ultimately results in ring cleavage. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the reaction dynamics and the role of protonation in this process.

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Sorry, just having one of those days were things don’t make sense to me
So in this video, this cyclic ether steals a Hydrogen off HBr. That gives it a +1 formal charge, so it breaks the ring open and steals the electrons from the Carbon to alleviate the formal charge. Carbon then has a formal charge which bonds to the Bromide anion that was formed from when it donated the Hydrogen to oxygen.
So my question is...if oxygen does not want to have a +1 formal charge and therefore needs to open the ring to alleviate it, why does it steal the hydrogen in the first place? It was a neutral atom before. Also, how is the oxygen in the ether more negative than a bromide ion which has a negative formal charge, enough to steal a hydrogen from anion?

 
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I assume you’re talking about the part about 4:50 into the video (for the future, if you have a specific question about a 7 minute video, it’s a good idea to point people to the part of the video in question, so they don’t have to sit through the whole thing).

The C-O bond breaks because the nucleophilic bromide anion attacks the partial positive charge on the carbon.

The protonated ether is in equilibrium with the HBr. This step is (usually) fast, so at any given time, a certain fraction of ethers are protonated at the oxygen. The SN2 bromide attack on the alpha carbon is slower, so it’s not the case that every time an ether is protonated it undergoes ring cleavage. Eventually a bromide will be in the right place at the right time when the ether is protonated to attack the alpha carbon and this will open the ring.

(Also, if I’m being kind of pedantic, the formal reaction mechanism shouldn’t have a bunch of anionic bromide flying around in acidic conditions. Instead, the HBr should attack the alpha carbon directly to generate the SN2 product and a proton.)
 
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