Question about expectation values.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of expectation values for a Gaussian wave packet, particularly focusing on whether operators similar to those used in harmonic oscillators can be defined for this purpose. Participants explore the definitions and methods for computing expectation values in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about defining operators to find the expectation value of position for a Gaussian wave packet, drawing a parallel to raising and lowering operators in harmonic oscillators.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the expectation value of position, suggesting that it can be calculated using the integral of the wave function and its complex conjugate.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the notation and whether a new operator is being introduced.
  • It is clarified that the position operator in the position representation is simply ##x##, and the general definition of expectation value can be applied directly.
  • One participant seeks a method to compute the expectation value without performing an integral, similar to the approach used for harmonic oscillators.
  • A later reply suggests that for a Gaussian wave packet, the expectation value of position corresponds to the central value of the distribution, implying a simpler method if this value is known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the definition of the position operator while others remain uncertain about the application of operators for Gaussian wave packets. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best method for computing expectation values without integrals.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on the specific definitions of operators and the assumptions regarding the properties of Gaussian wave packets. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in applying these concepts.

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Is it possible to define operators to find the expectation value of position for a Gaussian wave packet. Similar to finding raising and lowering operators for the harmonic oscillator in terms of position and momentum and then using those to find <x> and <p>. But I was just wondering if this could be done for a Gaussian wave packet.
 
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Here is one: X

If your wave packet is expressed as function of position, ##<X> = \int \psi \psi^* x dx##.
 
I don't completely understand what you are doing? Is X my new operator.
are you starting with the definition of expectation value and then going from there.
 
The position operator (in the position representation) is simply ##x##. So the general definition of expectation value:

$$\langle A \rangle = \int {\Psi^* A_{op} \Psi dx}$$

becomes

$$\langle x \rangle = \int {\Psi^* x \Psi dx}$$

Plug in your wave function and grind out the integral.
 
ok i understand that. I was trying to think of a way to compute that without doing an integral. Like how you can do that for the harmonic oscillator with a+ and a -
like &lt;x&gt;=&lt;U|a^+ + a^-|U&gt;
u is the wave function and a+ is the raising operator.
can I do this for a Gaussian wave packet.
 
If you define appropriate operators.
For a gaussian wave packet, the expectation value of the position is the central value of the distribution. If you know that, you are done.
 

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