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The discussion revolves around the Gelfand-Naimark theorem and its applicability to ordinary commutative Banach semisimple algebras, particularly in the absence of the * operation. Participants explore whether the theorem holds true, the nature of isometries and isomorphisms in this context, and the implications of various algebraic structures.

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  • One participant questions whether the Gelfand-Naimark theorem is true for ordinary commutative Banach semisimple algebras without the * operation, noting that proofs rely on properties specific to C*-algebras.
  • Another participant suggests considering the ring of polynomials with complex coefficients as an example of a normed algebra to explore the theorem's applicability.
  • It is asserted that the theorem cannot be isometric for non-C*-algebras, as C(M) is always a C*-algebra, and provides an example involving integrable functions with convolution as multiplication.
  • A participant relates the Gelfand transform to the Fourier transform, indicating that C(M) is isomorphic to C(R) and discussing the mapping of original algebras to Fourier transforms of integrable functions.
  • One participant introduces the concept of unital versus non-unital algebras and provides an example involving functions defined on integers, suggesting that the Gelfand transform maps to elements with absolutely convergent Fourier series.
  • Questions arise about the meaning of "C*-algebra generated by a Banach algebra," with suggestions to consider the completion with respect to the largest continuous C*-norm.
  • Concerns are raised about the density of the Gelfand transform in C(M) and whether it is closed, particularly in relation to the semisimplicity condition.
  • Another participant explains the concept of C*-seminorms on a Banach *-algebra and discusses the completion process to form a C*-algebra, suggesting that this may lead to an isometry with C(M).

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Gelfand-Naimark theorem to non-C*-algebras, with some asserting it cannot be isometric while others explore potential isomorphisms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of semisimplicity and the nature of the mappings involved.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of C*-algebras and Banach algebras, as well as unresolved questions regarding the closure of the Gelfand transform in C(M) and the implications of semisimplicity.

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Gelfand-Naimark theorem states that every commutative C-* algebra is isometric to $C(M)$, the ring of continuous functions over its spectrum. Is the theorem true for ordinary commutative Banach semisimple algebras, i.e. without *? Every proof that the Gelfand transform is an isometry uses the fact that in C-* algebra $|xx^{*}| = |x|^{2}$, so I wonder whether it is true when we don't have the * and that identity. If it is not isometric, is it isomorphic?
 
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Well, my first thought is just to think of interesting algebras. The simplest 'interesting' one I can think of is the ring of polynomials with complex coefficients. I'd expect that you could make this into a normed algebra -- how do things work out for this example?
 
No, it won't work for non-C* algebras.

It can't be isometric for anything else, because C(M) is always a C* algebra.
For example, consider the set of integrable functions f:R->C with convolution as the 'multiplication' operator.
This is a Banach algebra with the L1 norm, [itex]\Vert f\Vert = \int |f(x)|\,dx[/itex]. However, ||a* a|| <= ||a||2, and equality doesn't always hold, so it isn't a C*-algebra.
 
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Also, in my example, you can see that the Gelfand transform is a Fourier transform, so C(M) is isomorphic to C(R) and the original algebra maps to those elements of C(R) which can be written as a Fourier transform of an integrable function.
 
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I think the way you phrased your question, you were only talking about unitial alegebras (otherwise you should replace C(M) by the continuous functions vanishing at infinity).
In that case, you could let A be the alegebra of functions f:Z->C such that [itex]\sum_n |f(n)| < \infty[/itex], again with convolution as the multiplication operator.

Using Fourier series, C(M) is (isomorphic to) the set of continuous functions f:R->C of period 1 or, equivalently, C(S1). However, the Gelfand transform maps A only to those elements whose Fourier series is absolutely convergent.Interesting to note that in both my examples, C(M) is isomorphic to the C*-algebra generated by the Banach alegebra. Wouldn't be surprised if that is always the case.
 
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Thanks. What do you mean by "C* algebra generated by a Banach algebra"?

If B is semisimple, then its Gelfand transform f(B) is dense in C(M) - so if Gelfand transform isn't "onto", f(B) isn't closed in C(M)?
 
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Thanks. What do you mean by "C* algebra generated by a Banach algebra"?
I'm not sure if this is standard terminology. You could try taking the completion w.r.t. the largest continuous C*-norm, which should give a closed subspace of C(M), and maybe is isometric to C(M).

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If B is semisimple, then its Gelfand transform f(B) is dense in C(M) - so if Gelfand transform isn't "onto", f(B) isn't closed in C(M)?

It isn't closed in my examples above. It is closed (and complete) under the original Banach norm, but not the C*-norm on C(M).
Do you need the semisimple condition?
 
What do you mean by C-* norm? $C(M)$ is equipped naturally with standard supremum norm.

I need semisimplicity only to assure that the translation is injective.
 
Given any Banach *-algebra A, you could consider the C* seminorms on A. That is, F is a seminorm satisfying F(a* a) = F(a*) F(a). If F is continuous then it follows that F(a) <= ||a||. So, the maximum of all such seminorms exists and gives a unique maximum C* seminorm. Then, A can be completed with respect to this, to give a C* algebra.
That's what I meant by the C* algebra generated by A.
If this C* algebra is B, then the map A -> C(M) extends uniquely to a continuous homomorphism B->C(M), which I was suggesting gave an isometry.

However, you've already stated that semisimple => map is injective, and that the map is dense, so it seems that you know quite a bit already.
 

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