Question about horsepower for car

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The discussion revolves around estimating the horsepower required for a diesel car with a 250HP motor weighing 3,500 pounds while ascending a slight incline of 2 to 3 degrees at an average speed of 20 mph. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining the necessary power, considering factors such as incline, weight, and potential losses due to inefficiencies.

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  • One participant questions the amount of horsepower needed for the specified conditions, indicating uncertainty about the correct terminology (needed vs. generated).
  • Another participant notes that while minimal power can be calculated using formulas for inclined planes, inefficiencies such as friction and air drag complicate the estimation.
  • A participant suggests estimating the work done in raising the car as it ascends the incline, providing a rough calculation based on the incline and speed.
  • Further calculations are presented, showing the work done in one minute and relating it to horsepower, with a reference to the definition of horsepower.
  • Another participant advises considering wind resistance and provides a reference to the drag equation, suggesting that the drag coefficient and frontal area will affect the calculations significantly, especially at higher speeds.

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Participants generally agree on the need to consider multiple factors in estimating horsepower, including incline and weight. However, there is no consensus on a specific horsepower value or the impact of additional factors like wind resistance, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Participants mention various assumptions, such as the drag coefficient being dependent on the car's make and model, and the need for additional parameters to accurately calculate drag force and power. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the quantification of losses and the overall complexity of the problem.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring automotive physics, engineering students, or anyone curious about the calculations involved in vehicle performance on inclines.

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I am wondering how much horsepower would be needed, or generated (not sure which term is right), if a diesel car with a 250HP motor, and weighs 3,500 pounds, is going up a slight incline (maybe 2 or 3 degrees) averaging 20 mph? Thanks.
 
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The minimal power is given by the usual formulas for an inclined plane, but cars are quite inefficient and you have additional losses for friction, air drag, and other losses that are impossible to quantify with the parameters you gave.
 
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A first cut would be to just estimate the work done raising the car as it goes up the incline.
20 mph is about 30 ft/sec and a 3 degree incline is about 1 foot in 15, so the car is raised 2 ft per second.
You will find that the horsepower equivalent is surprisingly modest.
 
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Thanks for the info! Is it at all possible to get a ballpark number for horsepower based on the parameters I have given. If so, a thousand thanks!
 
In 60 seconds, your car is going up 2ft/sec x60sec =120 feet.
It weighs 3500 pounds, so the work done in one minute is 3500x120 foot pounds= 420,000 foot pounds/minute.
Google one horsepower, it is 33,000 foot pounds/minute, so...
 
Etudiant has given you most of it, you might also consider adding an estimate of wind resistance. The equation to calculate the net force would be:

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Wikipedia: Drag Equation

You can estimate the car's drag coefficient to be somewhere between 0.25 - 0.30 but is dependent on make/model and you will also need frontal area. You can look up some typical make/model drag area values (product of C.d and A) here: Wikipedia: Automobile Drag Coefficient

Once you calculate the drag force, calculate power (Power = force * velocity); for 20 mi/hr this number may be small, but at 40 mi/hr and up it will increase dramatically (velocity squared term).
 
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