Question about if and then statements. IE implication statements.

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The discussion revolves around understanding implication statements, specifically in the context of mathematical proofs involving "if and then" conditions. Participants are examining how these statements function within the framework of logical reasoning and mathematical proofs.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the nature of hypotheses in implication statements, questioning whether the "if" part is assumed to be true. There is also discussion on whether previous statements can be used in subsequent proofs, indicating a focus on logical progression in arguments.

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The conversation includes confirmations of understanding regarding the structure of implication statements and their use in proofs. Participants are engaging with each other's interpretations and clarifying their thoughts on the logical relationships between statements.

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Some participants express confusion about the implications of the "if" statements and the assumptions that can be made based on prior proofs. There is mention of specific conditions and constants that need to be determined within the context of the problems presented.

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Question about "if and then" statements. IE implication statements.

Homework Statement



When something is for example asking for:

if |x-3|<δ, prove that |x+3| <δ + k (where k is a constant)

are they supposing it's true? Like are they giving you a hypothesis? How do implication statements work?

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I say yes that the "if" is the hypothesis. Then the "then" is what we are trying to prove right?
 
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kramer733 said:
I say yes that the "if" is the hypothesis. Then the "then" is what we are trying to prove right?

Right!
 


micromass said:
Right!

Thanks for the verification. Now here's another question that I'm confused about.

The question states the following:

Let f(x) = 1/(x?2) and c = 3.
If x>2, prove that |f(x) - f(3)| <|x^2 - 9|/36.
if |x-3|<δ, prove that |x+3| <δ + k (where k is a constant, which you must determine).
if δ ≤ 1 and |x - 3| < δ, use these results to find M, such that |f(x) - f(3)| < M*δ


Now for the 3rd "if" statement, that means I'm allowed to use the previous statements I've proved to prove this one right? So I'm not working in a "vacuum". Is that correct?
 


kramer733 said:
Thanks for the verification. Now here's another question that I'm confused about.

The question states the following:

Let f(x) = 1/(x?2) and c = 3.
If x>2, prove that |f(x) - f(3)| <|x^2 - 9|/36.
if |x-3|<δ, prove that |x+3| <δ + k (where k is a constant, which you must determine).
if δ ≤ 1 and |x - 3| < δ, use these results to find M, such that |f(x) - f(3)| < M*δ


Now for the 3rd "if" statement, that means I'm allowed to use the previous statements I've proved to prove this one right? So I'm not working in a "vacuum". Is that correct?

Correct! Once you proved the two other if-statements, then you are allowed to use them.
 


Even though it seems like this is already solved...

If you have a statement, say, A, and another statement, say, B, and if the logic is such that, "If A, then B," we assume A is true. Of course, if you are given a problem that requires you to prove that this logical statement is true, you can use your assumption of the truth of A to prove that B is a consequence of A. In general, an "If... then..." statement is symbolized,

[itex]A \Rightarrow B[/itex]

for some statements A, B. Again, this means that if A is true, then B is so/is true/is a result/is a consequence of A. Also, different symbols are wildly used, I think, for this same statement, such as →. And, on an extended note, I would suggest looking up "logic" on the internet or something, as its interesting! For example, you will likely encounter many more logical statements in mathematics, and find that taking the 'opposite' of statements you want to show can help to actually prove them.
 

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