Question about momentum (elastic collision)

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two blocks with different masses and initial velocities. The original poster attempts to determine the final velocities of both blocks after the collision using the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in elastic collisions. Some question the assumption that both blocks can have the same final velocity, while others clarify the definitions and implications of elastic collisions.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the conservation laws applicable to elastic collisions. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their applications are being explored, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the differences between elastic and inelastic collisions, particularly regarding the conservation of momentum and the behavior of relative velocities. The original poster is navigating these concepts for the first time.

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Homework Statement


A block with mass 4 kg and velocity of 3 m/s collides elastically with block B with mass 2 kg which is originally at rest. Find the velocities of the two blocks after the collision.

Homework Equations


P= m * v

The Attempt at a Solution


This is the first time I try to solve an elastic collision problem, not sure if its the right way or no.

(M1*V1) + (M2*V2)= (M1+M2) Vc
(4*3) + (2*0) = (6) Vc
Vc= 12/6 = 2 m/s
 
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RuthlessTB said:
(M1*V1) + (M2*V2)= (M1+M2) Vc
You cannot assume that both blocks end up with the same velocity. That would be true for an inelastic collision.

Hint: What two quantities are conserved in an elastic collision? (What does elastic collision mean?)
 
In elastic collision, momentum before equals to momentum after (Pi=Pf).

(M1*V1) + (M2*V2) = (M1 * V1') (M2*V2')
1) 12= (4 * V1') + (2 * V2')

V1 - V2 = -(V1' - V2')
2) 3-0 = -(V1' + V2')

3 + V1' = V2'

By substitution to get V1'
12 = (4*V1') + (2 * (3+V1'))
Therefore, V1'= 1 m/s

And for V2'
12= 4+ (2*V2')
V2'= 4 m/s
 
RuthlessTB said:
In elastic collision, momentum before equals to momentum after (Pi=Pf).

(M1*V1) + (M2*V2) = (M1 * V1') (M2*V2')
1) 12= (4 * V1') + (2 * V2')

V1 - V2 = -(V1' - V2')
2) 3-0 = -(V1' + V2')

3 + V1' = V2'

By substitution to get V1'
12 = (4*V1') + (2 * (3+V1'))
Therefore, V1'= 1 m/s

And for V2'
12= 4+ (2*V2')
V2'= 4 m/s
Excellent.

Two comments:
(1) Momentum is conserved in any collision, not just elastic ones.
(2) Your second equation, that the relative velocities are reversed, is only true in elastic collision.

Good job.
 
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