Question about polarization of light by scattering in the atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the polarization of light due to scattering in the atmosphere, exploring the mechanisms behind why certain angles of light are visible to an observer and the role of scatterers such as dust and gas molecules. It includes both theoretical explanations and experimental observations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why only certain angles of light are visible to an observer, specifically regarding the polarization of light and the role of scatterers.
  • One participant explains that when an unpolarized source has a component in the y direction, it causes electrons in the scatterer to vibrate in the same direction, resulting in radiation that can be observed.
  • Another participant notes that if the unpolarized source radiates a wave polarized in the x direction, the electrons vibrate in that direction and do not radiate towards the observer, limiting visibility to waves with components in the y direction.
  • A participant shares experimental observations using a polarization filter, noting a visible effect in the sky that aligns with the theoretical discussions.
  • Questions arise about the nature of the scatterers and how they relate to the polarization of light, with one participant seeking clarification on the concept of radiation in the x direction.
  • Another participant clarifies that the scatterers in the atmosphere include particles of dust and gas molecules, and discusses the presence of waves polarized in the x direction within unpolarized sunlight.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding how electrons radiate in the x plane when they vibrate normal to the paper, drawing an analogy to radiation from a vertical antenna.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed, indicating that there is no consensus on certain aspects, particularly around the mechanisms of polarization and the behavior of scatterers.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between the direction of electron vibration and the resulting radiation patterns, as well as the definitions of polarization in the context of scattering.

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My book says:
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I don't understand why the bottom eye only sees the horizontal red arrow and not the other angles (black arrows)
 
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The diagram is very confusing. Let's call the direction of propagation z, x is the plane of the paper and y is normal to the paper.
A component of the unpolarised source lying in the y direction will cause an electron in the scatterer to vibrate also in the y direction. It will then radiate all round in the x plane, and you will see it from the bottom location.

However, if the unpolarised source radiates a wave polarised in the x direction, it will cause an electron in the scatterer to vibrate in the x direction also. The electron is then end-on to the bottom observer and does not radiate in that direction.
So the bottom observer sees only those waves from the source having components in the y direction, and which are therefore polarised.
 
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Tested experimentally now with polarization filter on a blue sky. Effect is real - visible as fuzzy blackening in the arc roughly perpendicular to the direction to Sun.
 
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Remember the plane of polarisation aligns with the circumference of the arc, so rotates as you go around this halo.
 
tech99 said:
The diagram is very confusing. Let's call the direction of propagation z, x is the plane of the paper and y is normal to the paper.
A component of the unpolarised source lying in the y direction will cause an electron in the scatterer to vibrate also in the y direction. It will then radiate all round in the x plane, and you will see it from the bottom location.
What is the scatterer?
tech99 said:
However, if the unpolarised source radiates a wave polarised in the x direction, it will cause an electron in the scatterer to vibrate in the x direction also. The electron is then end-on to the bottom observer and does not radiate in that direction.
How do you radiate a wave polarized in the x direction?
tech99 said:
So the bottom observer sees only those waves from the source having components in the y direction, and which are therefore polarised.
 
In reply to post #5, the scatterers in the atmosphere are particles of dust and gas molecules.
Waves polarised in the x direction will be present in "unpolarised" sunlight - it is when the electrons vibrate in the plane of the paper.
 
tech99 said:
The diagram is very confusing. Let's call the direction of propagation z, x is the plane of the paper and y is normal to the paper.
A component of the unpolarised source lying in the y direction will cause an electron in the scatterer to vibrate also in the y direction. It will then radiate all round in the x plane, and you will see it from the bottom location.
What do you mean by "It will then radiate all round in the x plane"
 
If electrons in the scatterer vibrate normal to the paper, they will radiate in all directions in the plane of the paper. It is similar to the radiation from a vertical antenna.
 

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