Question About SETI & Time Chauvinism

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The discussion revolves around the implications of time scales in the context of potential extraterrestrial communication, particularly through radio signals. Participants explore the concept of "time chauvinism," questioning whether human expectations of signal timing might hinder the detection of messages from civilizations with different temporal perceptions. The conversation touches on the technical aspects of signal detection, the nature of communication, and the challenges posed by varying lifespans of civilizations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the time between signals, such as prime number sequences, could lead to missed connections due to differing life spans and communication speeds of potential extraterrestrial civilizations.
  • Others argue that radio astronomers likely process signals with algorithms that focus on relative timing rather than absolute time scales, which may mitigate concerns about time differences.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of detecting signals from civilizations outside the local group, citing attenuation issues over vast distances.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that advanced civilizations would likely prefer to transmit data quickly, suggesting that a slow transmission rate would be impractical.
  • Some participants raise concerns about the survivability of slow-responding organisms in a world where rapid physical events pose threats.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of signals intended for communication versus those that might be noise-like, with implications for how such signals would be designed.
  • One participant mentions the historical context of human communication methods, noting that most of human history involved analogue transmissions, which may influence how signals are perceived.
  • Another point raised is the idea that advanced civilizations might tailor their messages based on their understanding of the receiving civilization's characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of time scales in communication, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the challenges posed by differing temporal perceptions, while others emphasize the likelihood of rapid communication from advanced civilizations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of these factors in the context of extraterrestrial communication.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in assumptions about the nature of extraterrestrial life and communication, including the potential for varying lifespans and the characteristics of signals. The discussion also highlights the complexity of detecting signals that may not be intentionally designed for interception.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring astrobiology, communication theory, and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, particularly in relation to the challenges posed by differing temporal frameworks.

  • #31
mfb said:
For long distances everything is a point source, and even with non-isotropic emission the intensity drops with the inverse distance squared. You can't focus signals over a distance of more than (emitter diameter)2/wavelength (order of magnitude estimate).
You can regard what happens as the directive antenna (or light projector) illuminating a portion of a sphere. This would be the equivalent (as far as an on-beam receiver as what you would get from an isotropic radiator with a power of 1/(illuminated area). In antenna spec they use a term Max EIRP or Maximum Effective Isotropic Radiated Power. A receiver wouldn't know the difference between a 1kW isotropic source and a 1W source with a directive antenna with Gain of 30dB.
 
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Thank you.
 

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