Question about the composition of dirt

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The discussion revolves around the composition of ordinary dirt and whether it contains every naturally occurring element. Participants explore the presence and detection of various elements, including rare and transient ones, in a handful of soil.

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  • Some participants propose that a handful of ordinary dirt likely contains some amount of every naturally occurring element, although many may be present below detection limits.
  • Others argue that certain elements, such as helium and astatine, may not be present in a typical handful of dirt due to their rarity or transient nature.
  • A participant suggests that helium is produced during alpha decay and may be present in dirt due to the decay of uranium, which is found in trace amounts in the soil.
  • Another participant provides a calculation estimating the concentration of astatine in dirt, indicating a very low probability of its presence in a handful.

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Participants generally agree that many elements may be present in dirt, but there is disagreement regarding the presence of specific elements like helium and astatine, with some asserting their absence while others provide reasoning for their potential presence.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the detection limits of analytical methods and the rarity of certain elements, which may affect the conclusions drawn about their presence in dirt.

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I was wondering if I was holding a handful of ordinary dirt would there likely be some amount of every naturally occurring element in it?
 
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Quite likely, although many of them can be present in amounts that are way below detection limits of our best analytical methods.
 
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Borek said:
Quite likely, although many of them can be present in amounts that are way below detection limits of our best analytical methods.
I thought that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the conformation.
 
That didn't sound like confirmation...or conformation. You can imagine some obvious exceptions, like the transient, trans-Uranium elements. Among the more mundane, I could believe there isn't a single atom of Helium. It won't be forming any compounds and as a gas at STP it would not be very likely to be in a random handful of soil- assuming you're not standing over a natural gas source. Astatine is pretty doubtful too. Besides being incredibly rare, with the most stable form having a 1/2 life of 8 hours, even if you got lucky it wouldn't be there for long.
 
DrJohnSmith said:
I could believe there isn't a single atom of Helium

Whenever you have alpha decay, there is helium produced. It slowly diffuses out of any solid it is trapped in, but its presence seems to be inevitable. Especially taking into account fact uranium is present almost everywhere, at ppm or ppb levels, and it decays mostly by α.

Interesting point about astatine though. Could be an interesting exercise - estimate concentration of all elements produced by various decay chains, assuming 100 ppb level or uranium in the dirt. Express the result in atoms per handful :wink:
 
Pull-quote from Wikipedia:

"Astatine is the rarest naturally occurring element that is not a transuranic element. The total amount in the Earth's entire crust (quoted mass 2.36 × 1025 grams) is estimated to be less than one gram at any given time."

If I did this right, using an average atomic weight of dirt of 30, I get 1 atom out of each 1.7E26 atoms in the Earth's crust is astatine. If a handful of dirt is 454 grams, that's 9.1E24 atoms of dirt with 0.05 atoms of astatine per handful...a 5% chance of it being there.
 
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