Question about the solution to this elastic collision

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two masses and their velocities before and after the collision. Participants are examining the application of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in solving the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the kinetic energy equation for the collision but questions its interchangeability with the momentum equation after finding a discrepancy in the results. Some participants clarify that momentum is always conserved in collisions, while energy conservation applies only in perfectly elastic collisions.

Discussion Status

The discussion has provided some guidance on the principles of conservation of momentum and energy in collisions. Participants are exploring the conditions under which each principle applies, with some expressing clarity on when to use momentum versus energy conservation.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of the definitions of elastic collisions and the assumptions regarding energy conservation. The original poster's confusion highlights the need for clarity on when each conservation law is applicable.

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Homework Statement
High-speed stroboscopic photographs show that the
head of a golf club of mass 200 g is traveling at 55.0 m/s
just before it strikes a 46.0-g golf ball at rest on a tee. After the collision, the club head travels (in the same direction) at 40.0 m/s. Find the speed of the golf ball just
after impact
Relevant Equations
1/2m1v1i^2+1/2m2v2i^2=1/2m1v1f^2+1/2m2v2f^2
m1v1i+mvv2i=m1v1f+m2v2f
I found that 1/2m1v1i^2+1/2m2v2i^2=1/2m1v1f^2+1/2m2v2f^2
=>0.5*200*55^2+0.5*46*0^2=0.5*40^2*200+0.5*46*0*vf^2=>vf=78.713 m/s.

The true answer is 65.2 m/s and is solved using m1v1i+mvv2i=m1v1f+m2v2f. Are these equations not interchangeable? Why can I not use the equation I used?
 
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The equations are not interchangeable. If they were, they would give the same answer. All collisions conserve momentum but not necessarily energy.
 
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kuruman said:
The equations are not interchangeable. If they were, they would give the same answer. All collisions conserve momentum but not necessarily energy.
I see. So the kinetic energy one works if energy is conserved? And should I always default to momentum?
 
as2528 said:
I see. So the kinetic energy one works if energy is conserved? And should I always default to momentum?
Yes, in a collision you default to momentum conservation. If you are told that the collision is perfectly elastic, then you can use energy conservation as well. Using both, usually involves questions where there are two unknowns.
 
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kuruman said:
Yes, in a collision you default to momentum conservation. If you are told that the collision is perfectly elastic, then you can use energy conservation as well. Using both, usually involves questions where there are two unknowns.
Thank you! This really cleared it up for me.
 
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