Question Concerning Superposition

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The discussion revolves around the nature of superposition in quantum systems, particularly in relation to observation and measurement. Participants explore whether a system returns to a superposition state after being observed and the implications of measurement on the state of the system.

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  • Some participants question if a system regains its superposition after observation or if it remains in a definite state indefinitely.
  • One participant uses the analogy of a train arriving to illustrate that once an event is observed, it cannot revert to a prior state of uncertainty.
  • Another participant explains that a system is always in some superposition, and upon measurement, its wavefunction collapses to a single eigenstate of the observable being measured.
  • It is noted that if the observable measured commutes with the Hamiltonian, the state remains in that eigenstate; otherwise, it may evolve into a superposition of multiple eigenstates over time.
  • There is a suggestion that the uncertainty principle implies a particle cannot be in a single eigenstate of all observables simultaneously.
  • One participant reiterates that after measurement, the state evolves according to Schrödinger's equation, which may lead to a new superposition or maintain a definite value depending on the nature of the observable.

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Participants express differing views on whether a system can return to a superposition after observation, with no consensus reached on the nature of the state post-measurement.

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Participants discuss the implications of observables commuting with the Hamiltonian and the role of the uncertainty principle, but do not resolve the complexities surrounding these concepts.

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I'm wondering if a system regains its superposition after it's observed or if it remains a definite value forever after observation. Also, if a system does regain its superposition, does it occur instantly after it's done being measured?
 
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You could regard the arrival of a train as a superposition until the train is seen to arrive.
It's having arrived, either you get on to the train if that was the plan, or maybe you meet somebody getting off it.
The train cannot return to the state of having not yet arrived.
 
The state is always in some superposition..
If it is a single eigenstate of one observable, it may be in a superposition of multiple eigenstates of another observable.

If you measure an observable of a particle, its wavefunction can be said to collapse to a single eigenstate of that observable.

Before and after that, the state evolves according to how its energy depends on its position, momentum, and other observables (i.e., its Hamiltonian).

If a particular observable is a conserved quantity (commutes with the Hamiltonian), and you measure that observable, the state after measurement will always be the same eigenstate of that observable.

If the observable is not conserved (does not commute with the hamiltonian), then after a sufficient time, the state will be in a reasonable superposition of multiple eigenstates of the observable in question.

Another way of looking at it:
The uncertainty principle tells us that a particle cannot at the same time be in a single eigenstate of all ovservables.
 
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I'm wondering if a system regains its superposition after it's observed or if it remains a definite value forever after observation. Also, if a system does regain its superposition, does it occur instantly after it's done being measured?

The system doesn't return to its previous state. The measurement puts it in an eigenstate of whatever we're measuring. After the measurement the state evolves forward from there according to Schrödinger's equation.

That evolution may put it into a new superposition or it may leave whatever we measured in a definite value forever (or at least until the next interaction disturbs it); this depends on whether the observable commutes with the Hamiltonian or not.
 
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