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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to fluid mechanics, specifically focusing on pressure and force in a dam scenario involving a reservoir with two different densities of fluid: sludge and water. The original poster seeks guidance on how to approach the problem, which includes determining how pressure varies with altitude and calculating the horizontal force on the dam.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure and depth, questioning whether integration is necessary due to the varying densities of the fluids. Some suggest that since the densities are constant within certain sections, multiplication may suffice instead of integration.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the need for integration in the calculations. There is a mix of interpretations about the approach to take for part a of the problem, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note that the problem involves a vertical dam with a specific setup of fluids, and there is some confusion regarding the treatment of the variable z in the context of pressure calculations. The original poster expresses a desire to understand the problem better, highlighting the learning-focused nature of the discussion.

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I haven't taken physics in a while, and most of this is physics related. My professor's lectures have not helped me understand the material, so I have questions on my homework. I would like to learn how to approach this problem and solve it.


The figure shows a vertical dam holding back a reservoir of depth h. The lower half of the reservoir consists of a sludge whose density is twice that of water, and the upper half of the reservoir's volume consists of pure water.

a. Determine how pressure depends on altitude z in the water and sludge.
b. Let w be the dam's width, and determine the horizontal component of force on the dam.


Thank you in advance.
 

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Hi tophat22! Welcome to PF! :smile:
tophat22 said:
The figure shows a vertical dam holding back a reservoir of depth h. The lower half of the reservoir consists of a sludge whose density is twice that of water, and the upper half of the reservoir's volume consists of pure water.

a. Determine how pressure depends on altitude z in the water and sludge.
b. Let w be the dam's width, and determine the horizontal component of force on the dam.

a. The pressure is basically the weight of the fluid above (per area). :smile:

b. Pressure = force per area, so the force on the dam is the integral of pressure times area. :wink:
 
for part a, what am I supposed to do with vector z? will I have to deal with an integral?
 
Hi tophat22! :smile:
tophat22 said:
for part a, what am I supposed to do with vector z? will I have to deal with an integral?

No, you'd only need an integral if the density was varying continuously

but here, it's constant to a certain height, and then a different constant, so you can just multiply instead of integrating. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi tophat22! :smile:


No, you'd only need an integral if the density was varying continuously

but here, it's constant to a certain height, and then a different constant, so you can just multiply instead of integrating. :smile:

Since the pressure varies with depth there will be a different force on the dam at different depths. So integration would be needed.

CS
 
tophat22 said:
for part a, what am I supposed to do with vector z? will I have to deal with an integral?
stewartcs said:
Since the pressure varies with depth there will be a different force on the dam at different depths. So integration would be needed.

CS

Hi stewartcs! :smile:

Not for part a. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi stewartcs! :smile:

Not for part a. :wink:

Sorry I missed the "part a" there! :blushing: Silly me...I should not post until my morning tea!

CS
 
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