Question involving annihilators and solution spaces

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical question involving vector spaces, dual spaces, solution spaces, and annihilators. Participants are exploring the relationship between the solution space of a subspace and the solution space of the sum of that subspace with the annihilator of another subspace.

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  • One participant seeks help with a question about showing that the solution space of W intersected with U is a subspace of the solution space of (W + the annihilator of U).
  • Another participant requests definitions for "solution space" and "annihilator" to clarify the terms used in the question.
  • A later reply provides definitions for the solution space of W and the annihilator of U, explaining that the solution space consists of elements in V that satisfy certain conditions related to functions in W and U.
  • One participant suggests that the problem can be approached by showing that if an element is in the intersection of the solution space of W and U, it must also satisfy the conditions for the solution space of (W + U^{\perp}).
  • The same participant outlines a strategy to prove the inclusion by considering elements of W and U^{\perp} and demonstrating that both must vanish at a given element.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of the terms involved, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of the inclusion stated in the original question. There is no consensus on the approach to take or the correctness of the proposed methods.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the definitions of solution space and annihilator, as well as the need for clarity on the conditions required for the proof to hold.

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I was hoping to get help on a question that has been bugging me, I goes like this:

V is a vector space with a dual space V* and U is a subspace of V and W a subspace of V*

The question ask to show that:
'the solution space of W intersected with U' is a subspace of 'the solution space of (W + the annihilator of U)'.


Now, looking at the left hand side I see that an element, 'x', within U must be satisfy f(x)=0 for all functions, 'f', within W.
I realize that the above is barely a start on the question at all. But after looking at eh definitions I just don't see where I am expected to go next.

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Hello britatuni! I'm not familiar with your definitions of solution space and annihilator. Can you write them for me? English is not my native language and I think I know what is being asked, but I cannot be sure until the terms are defined. :D

Cheers!
 
Hi, sorry for the late response since I was on holiday without internet.

I have the solution space of W defined as the set of elements (v) in V that satisfy the condition that f(v) = 0 for every function f in the dual space of W.
And the annihilator is defined as the set of functions (g) in V*such that g(u) = 0 for every element u in the subspace U.
 
britatuni said:
I was hoping to get help on a question that has been bugging me, I goes like this:

V is a vector space with a dual space V* and U is a subspace of V and W a subspace of V*

The question ask to show that:
'the solution space of W intersected with U' is a subspace of 'the solution space of (W + the annihilator of U)'.


Now, looking at the left hand side I see that an element, 'x', within U must be satisfy f(x)=0 for all functions, 'f', within W.
I realize that the above is barely a start on the question at all. But after looking at eh definitions I just don't see where I am expected to go next.
So it appears that "the solution space of $W\,$" is what I would call the pre-annihilator of $W$, namely the space $W_{\perp} \stackrel {\text{def}}{=} \{x\in X : f(x) = 0\ \forall f\in W\}$. You are asked to show that $W_{\perp} \cap U \subseteq \bigl(W + U^{\perp}\bigr)_{\perp}$ (where $U^{\perp}\stackrel {\text{def}}{=} \{f\in W : f(u)=0\ \forall u\in U\}$ is the annihilator of $U$).

Let $x\in W_{\perp} \cap U$. You correctly say that this implies $f(x) = 0$ for all $f$ in $W$. You are asked to show that $f(x) = 0$ for all $f$ in $W + U^{\perp}$. An element of $W + U^{\perp}$ is by definition the sum of an element in $W$ and an element in $U^{\perp}$. Show that both those elements of $V^*$ must vanish at $x$, and you have completed the proof.

[I think that this problem belongs to linear algebra rather than analysis, so I have transferred it to the Linear and Abstract Algebra section.]
 
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