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The discussion revolves around concepts presented in Chapter 7 of Roger Penrose's "The Road to Reality," specifically focusing on contour integration in the complex plane versus the real line. Participants seek clarification on the nature of paths in these two contexts and the implications of Cauchy-Riemann equations for integration along different paths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that there is only one path on the real line, while multiple paths exist in the complex plane, prompting questions about the underlying reasons for this difference.
  • Another participant elaborates that in the real line, movement from point a to b is linear and sequential, whereas in the complex plane, movement can occur in multiple dimensions, allowing for various paths.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the statement about Cauchy-Riemann equations and their implications for integration, with one participant emphasizing that the theorem applies only to analytic functions and may not hold if the function is undefined or infinite within the interval.
  • A later reply references the concept of homotopy invariance of line integrals as a way to understand the statement about path independence in complex integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts discussed, with some clarifications provided but no consensus reached on the interpretations of the statements from Penrose's text.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding due to the complexity of the concepts involved, particularly regarding the conditions under which the Cauchy-Riemann equations apply and the nature of analytic functions.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals studying complex analysis, particularly those interested in the theoretical aspects of integration and the distinctions between real and complex functions.

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A little about my background. I have a undergraduate degree in physics which I obtained exactly 20 years back. I also have a undergraduate degree in EE which I obtained about 17 years back. I have worked as a software engineer all my life and currently also pursuing my MBA in Finance. Needless to say that I am a bit rusty in Physics and math but I have always been interested in Physics and recently started reading Physics again after I read (and enjoyed) the theoretical minimum book by Susskind.

I started reading The Road to Reality and so far like it very much. In introducing the contour integration on a complex plane, he mentions a few things that I do not understand.

1. In Chapter 7, page 124 he says (citing a definite integral of a real function between a and b)

There is only one way to go from a to b along the real line

But for a complex plane

We do not just have one route from a to b

Question: Why do we have only one path in a real plane but more than one on a complex plane?

2. He says that he will introduce C-R equations in chapter 12 but he then says that the C-R equations tell us that

If we do our integration along one such path then we get the same answer as along any other such path that can be obtained from the first by continuous deformation within the domain of the function.

Question: I do not understand this statement

Could you help? Please be gentle :)

Is there a book on complex analysis (not too thick) that will help me understand Chapter 7 (or later chapters) in Penrose?
 
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smodak said:
Question: Why do we have only one path in a real plane but more than one on a complex plane?
There is only one path on the real LINE. There are multiple paths on the complex PLANE.
 
smodak said:
I started reading The Road to Reality and so far like it very much. In introducing the contour integration on a complex plane, he mentions a few things that I do not understand.

1. In Chapter 7, page 124 he says (citing a definite integral of a real function between a and b)
<<There is only one way to go from a to b along the real line>>

But for a complex plane
<<We do not just have one route from a to b>>

Question: Why do we have only one path in a real plane but more than one on a complex plane?
Because to go from the real number a to the real number b integrating in the real line you can only go from a to a +dx, then a+2dx...to b.
In the complex plane, being ... a plane, you can go also "up and down" the real line, to the second dimension of the imaginary numbers, so you can follow even a "complex" (not a casually chosen term :smile:) contour from the point (a,0) to the point (b,0) of the plane.

2. He says that he will introduce C-R equations in chapter 12 but he then says that the C-R equations tell us that
<<If we do our integration along one such path then we get the same answer as along any other such path that can be obtained from the first by continuous deformation within the domain of the function.>>
It's true for an "analythic" function, not for all complex functions: if in the interval (a,b) there is a point in which the function is not defined or goes to infinite, the theorem (see down) is not valid.

Question: I do not understand this statement
See "Cauchy theorem".
P.S.
You, as most of people, even with degrees in physics and mathematics, will be able to read that book just up to a certain point, then ... oblivion :smile:

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Thanks guys. That was very helpful!
 

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