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The discussion revolves around a satellite in an elliptic orbit around the Earth, with specific distances from the Earth's center. Participants are tasked with demonstrating relationships between minimum and maximum velocities and calculating the eccentricity of the orbit.

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  • The original poster attempts to use conservation of angular momentum and energy but expresses difficulty in progressing. They also mention trying various equations without success. Some participants inquire about the specifics of the conservation of energy approach and the maximum and minimum values related to the given equation of motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback and asking clarifying questions. There is a focus on exploring the relationships between the velocities and the distances involved in the orbit, with some guidance offered on how to proceed with the equations provided.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the orbit can be described by a specific equation involving eccentricity and angular momentum. There is an indication of imposed homework rules that may limit the types of solutions discussed.

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A satellite undergoes an elliptic orbit about the Earth of mass M, with maximum
distance 6R and minimum distance 3R from the Earth's centre.

(a) Show that twice the minimum velocity v(min) = the maximum velocity v(max) = (2/3)*sqrt(GM/R)

(b) Show eccentricity = 1/3

We are told that we can assume the orbit is described by 1/r = (1 + e*cos(Theta))/L where where r is the distance from the Earth’s centre, e is the eccentricity with 0 ≤ e < 1
and l = h^2/GM for constant h, the angular momentum per unit mass

How I started off was using the conservation of angular momentum and from that got v(max) = 2*v(min) . Tried conservation of energy but got nowhere there. Also tried other equations but I'm not getting anywhere! If anyone could show me a solution I would be so grateful :) Thank you.
 
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Can you show exactly how conservation of energy got you nowhere?

For (b), what are the min/max values of the RHS of the equation of motion you were given?
 
voko said:
Can you show exactly how conservation of energy got you nowhere?

For (b), what are the min/max values of the RHS of the equation of motion you were given?
Hey, thanks for the feedback.

Well for conservation of energy I did this:

E = (1/2)*m*v(max)^2 - G*M*m/r(min) = (1/2)*m*v(min)^2 - G*M*m/r(max)
I then canceled the 'm's .. and I'm not sure if you can really extract any other information from there??

And if you're talking about this equation of motion 1/r = (1 + e*cos(Theta))/L then the max is at cos(Theta) = 1 and min at cos(theta) = -1 but I'm just not sure what the next step is? I'm just a bit lost. :/
 
Wesc said:
Hey, thanks for the feedback.

Well for conservation of energy I did this:

E = (1/2)*m*v(max)^2 - G*M*m/r(min) = (1/2)*m*v(min)^2 - G*M*m/r(max)
I then canceled the 'm's .. and I'm not sure if you can really extract any other information from there??

You have obtained the relationship between Vmax and Vmin, and you were given the relationship between Rmax and Rmin. Use them.

And if you're talking about this equation of motion 1/r = (1 + e*cos(Theta))/L then the max is at cos(Theta) = 1 and min at cos(theta) = -1 but I'm just not sure what the next step is? I'm just a bit lost. :/

That is correct, plug that into the equation and use Rmax and Rmin.
 

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