Question on positive displacement piston pumps

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of positive displacement piston pumps, specifically addressing how hydraulic oil can be pumped despite its incompressibility. Participants explore the mechanics of fluid movement within the pump's design, particularly focusing on the relationship between the piston chamber volume and fluid flow.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how hydraulic oil can travel through the pump if it is incompressible and the piston chamber volume decreases during operation.
  • Another participant explains that as the piston chamber increases in volume, oil flows in, and as it decreases, oil flows out, suggesting that the fluid is not compressing but rather moving.
  • A later reply acknowledges a realization that the fluid is simply moving rather than being compressed, indicating a moment of clarity regarding the pump's operation.
  • Another participant defines 'positive displacement' as the mechanism by which fluid is moved by the pistons' motion, noting that this principle applies to other types of pumps as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding fluid compressibility and movement, but there is a shared understanding of the basic operation of positive displacement pumps by the end of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a misunderstanding of fluid dynamics in the context of pump operation, particularly concerning the concept of incompressibility and fluid movement. There are no explicit resolutions to the initial confusion, and assumptions about fluid behavior are not fully explored.

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Individuals interested in hydraulic systems, mechanical engineering, or fluid dynamics may find this discussion relevant, especially those seeking to understand the principles behind positive displacement pumps.

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This is a very simple question but I am struggling to grasp the answer. My question is in regards to a positive displacement piston pump.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0d/Axial_piston_pump.svg/686px-Axial_piston_pump.svg.png

Say you are using this machine to pump hydraulic oil from one reservoir to another. How can this work? The reason I am confused is that I understand oil as being incompressible, so my question is how can the oil travel along the rotational path as the piston chamber reduces in volume. Essentially, how is the fluid compressing during operation?

Thanks
 
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You are right that the oil is (almost) imcompressible. The oil flows into the piston chamber as it increases in volume and out again as it decreases. The inlet and outlet "holes" in the picture you posted are actually semicircular slots and the piston moves along them as it rotates.

This might help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mh902AP7Yw
 
Thank you for the reply. That is my question though - if the fluid is incompressible, then how can it travel along the length of these slots if the volume of each piston chamber decreases along the path of travel?
 
Oh nevermind, I just had the obvious a-ha moment. It's just moving fluid, not compressing it. I see the slots now. Thanks
 
That's what 'positive displacement' means: the fluid is shunted along by the motion of the pistons as the wobble plate rotates. It also works for screw pumps, too.
 

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