Question on Time-Independent Perturbation Theory

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The discussion revolves around time-independent perturbation theory, specifically focusing on the normalization of proposed eigenstates and the implications of inner products in quantum mechanics. Participants are examining the relationship between a derived equation and the orthonormal conditions of a basis set.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring how the normalization condition relates to the inner product of eigenstates and questioning the assumptions made in the derivation of Equation (A.4). There is a focus on whether the cross terms in the inner product can be assumed to vanish and the implications of this assumption.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the derivation of Equation (A.4) and questioning the validity of the steps taken in the textbook. Some participants suggest that the author may be assuming normalization without sufficient justification, leading to a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the equations presented.

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There is a mention of potential confusion arising from the passage's phrasing regarding the inner product and perturbative corrections, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may be influencing the interpretation of the equations.

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I just need a quick check on something from Appendix A in "Nanostructures and Nanotechnology" by Douglas Natelson.
Relevant Equations
$$H|\psi \rangle=E|\psi \rangle$$
$$H^0|\psi^0 \rangle=E^0|\psi^0 \rangle$$
$$E_j=E^0_j+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^iE^i_j$$
$$|\psi _j\rangle=|\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^i|\psi^i _j\rangle$$
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I'm currently reading this passage to review perturbation theory. Just before Equation (A.4), this passage tells me to take the inner product of the proposed eigenstate ##|\psi _j\rangle## with itself. Writing this out, I got:

$$1=\left \langle \psi _j| \psi _j\right \rangle=\left ( |\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{k=1}^{n}\lambda ^k|\psi^k _j\rangle \right )^\dagger\left ( |\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^i|\psi^i _j\rangle \right )$$

$$= \left ( \langle\psi^0 _j|+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left (\lambda ^i \right )^*\langle\psi^i _j| \right )\left ( |\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{k=1}^{n}\lambda ^k|\psi^k _j\rangle \right )$$

$$=\left \langle \psi^0 _j| \psi^0 _j\right \rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^i\left \langle \psi^0 _j| \psi^i _j\right \rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left (\lambda ^i \right )^*\langle\psi^i _j|\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\sum_{k=1}^{n}(\lambda ^i)^*\lambda ^k\left \langle \psi^i _j| \psi^k _j\right \rangle$$

I'm not sure how Equation (A.4) follows from this though.
 
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I think (A.4) does not follow from the previous equations. It's just the usual orthonormal conditions on a basis set.
 
Grelbr42 said:
I think (A.4) does not follow from the previous equations. It's just the usual orthonormal conditions on a basis set.
Okay, so basically you’re saying we impose the first equation in (A.4) and that’s what yields the second one? The reason that it’s confusing to me is that when the passage asks us to take the inner product, it makes it seems as if we know something about the perturbative corrections to the state function a priori.
 
cwill53 said:
I'm not sure how Equation (A.4) follows from this though.
I'm with you on this. I think the textbook's author begs the question. He says "let's check normalization" and then apparently uses normalization to claim that the cross terms on the right hand side must vanish because the leading term on the right is equal to 1. One should consider $$\begin{align} \left \langle \psi _j| \psi _j\right \rangle & =\left \langle \psi^0 _j| \psi^0 _j\right \rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^i\left \langle \psi^0 _j| \psi^i _j\right \rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left (\lambda ^i \right )^*\langle\psi^i _j|\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\sum_{k=1}^{n}(\lambda ^i)^*\lambda ^k\left \langle \psi^i _j| \psi^k _j\right \rangle \nonumber \\
& = 1+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\lambda ^i\left \langle \psi^0 _j| \psi^i _j\right \rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left (\lambda ^i \right )^*\langle\psi^i _j|\psi^0 _j\rangle+\sum_{i=1}^{n}\sum_{k=1}^{n}(\lambda ^i)^*\lambda ^k\left \langle \psi^i _j| \psi^k _j\right \rangle \nonumber \end{align}$$and argue why the summations on the right hand side add up to give zero. I don't believe there is such an argument. See discussion here. Note the explicit use of the normalization constant ##N(\lambda)## in the end.
 
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