Help with second quantization practice problem

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The discussion revolves around the application of second quantization in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on demonstrating that certain expressions related to the Hamiltonian and field operators obey the Heisenberg equation of motion.

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  • Participants explore the substitution of operators in the Heisenberg equation and question the correctness of terms used, such as whether to replace the Hamiltonian with the kinetic operator. They discuss the implications of missing factors and the nature of derivatives involved.

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Hi, to help further my understanding of the second quantization for one of my modules I would like to show that the following expressions
$$ \hat{H} = \Sigma_{ij} \langle i| \hat{T} | j \rangle \hat{a_i }^{\dagger} \hat{a_j} $$
$$\hat{\psi}(r,t)= \Sigma_k \psi_k(r) \hat{a}_k(t)$$
Obey the Heisenberg equation
$$i \hbar \frac{d\hat{a}_k}{dt}=\Sigma_j \langle k | \hat{T} |j \rangle \hat{a}_j$$
I started by subbing ##\hat{\psi}## and ##\hat{H}## into the Heisenberg equation of motion for a generic operator
$$ i \hbar \frac{\partial \hat{O}_H}{\partial t}= \left[\hat{O}_H,\hat{H} \right] $$
This gave me
$$\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) \hat{a}_k(t) \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j - \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j \Sigma_k \psi_k(r) \hat{a}_k(t)=\Sigma_k \psi_k (r) \frac{\partial \hat{a}_k (t)}{\partial t}$$
I canceled the ##\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) ## to give me the following but I'm not sure how to proceed after that
$$\ \hat{a}_k(t) \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j - \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j \hat{a}_k(t)= \frac{\partial \hat{a}_k (t)}{\partial t}$$
 
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CMJ96 said:
This gave me
$$\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) \hat{a}_k(t) \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j - \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j \Sigma_k \psi_k(r) \hat{a}_k(t)=\Sigma_k \psi_k (r) \frac{\partial \hat{a}_k (t)}{\partial t}$$
For reference, label this equation as (eq. 1).
(1) Should ##\hat{H}## be replaced by ##\hat{T}## in the two terms on the left of (eq. 1)?
(2) I believe a factor of ##i \hbar## is missing on the right side.
(3) You can replace the partial derivative with respect to ##t## on the right side by an ordinary derivative with respect to ##t## since ##\hat{a}_k(t)## is a function of a single variable, ##t##.

I canceled the ##\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) ## to give me the following but I'm not sure how to proceed after that
$$\ \hat{a}_k(t) \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j - \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{H} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j \hat{a}_k(t)= \frac{\partial \hat{a}_k (t)}{\partial t}$$
Call this (eq. 2).

To get to (eq. 2), you can't actually cancel ##\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) ## on both sides of (eq. 1). But you can get (eq. 2) by multiplying both sides of (eq. 1) by an arbitrarily chosen ##\psi_n^*(r)## and integrating over all ##r##. Using the orthonormality of the ##\psi_k(r)##'s, you will end up with (eq. 2) except your index ##k## in (eq. 2) would be ##n##. However, at that point, you could rename ##n## as ##k## and therefore have (eq. 2) as you wrote it. Maybe all of this is what you actually meant when you said that you "canceled the ##\Sigma_k \psi_k(r) ## ".

So, your (eq. 2) actually looks OK to me except for fixing up points (1), (2), and (3) that I listed in regard to (eq. 1).

Since the various ##\langle i | \hat{T} | j \rangle## 's are just numbers, you can move ##\hat{a}_k(t)## in the first term of (eq. 2) inside the summation to obtain
$$\ \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{T} | j \rangle \hat{a}_k \hat {a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j - \Sigma_{ij} \langle i | \hat{T} | j \rangle \hat{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j \hat{a}_k= i \hbar \frac{d\hat{a}_k }{dt}$$
Now try to rearrange the order of the ##\hat a## operators in the first term so that they match the order of the operators in the second term. That is, try to move the operator ##\hat{a}_k## past the operators ##{a}_i ^{\dagger} \hat{a}_j## in the first term. You will need to invoke the commutation relations obeyed by these operators. See what you end up with.
 
Thank you for the help and I apologise for taking so long to reply
Your help was very useful, I used the commutation relation
$$\left[a_k,a_i ^{\dagger} \right] = a_k a_i ^{\dagger} - a_i ^{\dagger} a_k = \delta_{ki} $$
Rearranging this and replacing ##a_k a_i ^{\dagger} ## (and using the identity ##\langle i | j \rangle =\delta_{ij}## ) I ended up with the following
$$\sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle \langle k | i \rangle a_j + \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_k a_j - \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_j a_k = i \hbar \frac{d a_k}{dt}$$
The last two terms on the left hand side cancel off as ##a_j## and ##a_k## commute and since ##\langle i | i \rangle =1## the first term becomes what I was looking for
$$\sum_{j} \langle k | \hat{T} | j \rangle \hat{a_j} = i \hbar \frac{d\hat{a_k}}{dt}$$
Thank you!
 
CMJ96 said:
I used the commutation relation
$$\left[a_k,a_i ^{\dagger} \right] = a_k a_i ^{\dagger} - a_i ^{\dagger} a_k = \delta_{ki} $$
Rearranging this and replacing ##a_k a_i ^{\dagger} ## (and using the identity ##\langle i | j \rangle =\delta_{ij}## ) I ended up with the following
$$\sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle \langle k | i \rangle a_j + \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_k a_j - \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_j a_k = i \hbar \frac{d a_k}{dt}$$
The last two terms on the left hand side cancel off as ##a_j## and ##a_k## commute and since ##\langle i | i \rangle =1## the first term becomes what I was looking for
$$\sum_{j} \langle k | \hat{T} | j \rangle \hat{a_j} = i \hbar \frac{d\hat{a_k}}{dt}$$
OK. Personally, I wouldn't bother to bring in the identity ##\langle i | j \rangle =\delta_{ij}##. From the commutation relation, we have ##\ a_k a_i ^{\dagger} = a_i ^{\dagger} a_k + \delta_{ki} ##. Using this yields $$\sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle \delta_{ki}a_j+ \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_k a_j - \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_j a_k = i \hbar \frac{d a_k}{dt}$$The first term then reduces immediately to $$\sum_j \langle k| T | j \rangle a_j$$
 
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TSny said:
OK. Personally, I wouldn't bother to bring in the identity ##\langle i | j \rangle =\delta_{ij}##. From the commutation relation, we have ##\ a_k a_i ^{\dagger} = a_i ^{\dagger} a_k + \delta_{ki} ##. Using this yields $$\sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle \delta_{ki}a_j+ \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_k a_j - \sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle a_i ^{\dagger} a_j a_k = i \hbar \frac{d a_k}{dt}$$The first term then reduces immediately to $$\sum_j \langle k| T | j \rangle a_j$$
This is a more concise way of doing it, how exactly does it immediately reduce?
 
CMJ96 said:
This is a more concise way of doing it, how exactly does it immediately reduce?

When summing over ##i## in ##\sum_{ij} \langle i | T | j \rangle \delta_{ki}a_j##, the only value of ##i## that will contribute is when ##i = k##, due to the Kronecker delta ## \delta_{ki}##.
 
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Ahhh yes, I understand now, thank you very much, you have been very helpful
 

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