Question on Variation of Parameters

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The discussion revolves around the integration aspect of the Variation of Parameters method in solving differential equations, specifically focusing on the differences between using indefinite and definite integrals for finding particular solutions. Participants explore the implications of these approaches in the context of the equation y'' + P(x)y' + Q(x)y = f(x).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the use of indefinite integrals with a constant equal to 0 versus definite integrals from x0 to x, noting that different books present these approaches without clear explanations.
  • Another participant suggests that when comparing particular solutions, constants added to the functions do not affect the overall solution since they satisfy the homogeneous equation, implying that they can be absorbed into the associated homogeneous part.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea that using a definite integral only produces a constant, which does not change the nature of the particular solution sought.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of using indefinite versus definite integrals in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which approach is preferable or if it matters at all.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the integration constants and their roles in the solutions, as well as the dependence on the definitions of the functions involved.

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I have a question on the integration part of the Variation of Parameters. Given .[tex]y''+P(x)y'+Q(x)y=f(x)[/tex]

The associate homogeneous solution .[tex]y_c=c_1y_1 + c_2y_2[/tex].

The particular solution .[tex]y_p=u_1y_1 + c_2y_2[/tex].

[tex]u'_1 = -\frac{W_1}{W} = -\frac{y_2f(x)}{W}[/tex]

This is where I have question. Some books use indefinite integral with the integration constant equal 0.

[tex]u_1= -\int \frac{y_2f(x)}{W}dx[/tex]

But other books gave:

[tex]u_1= -\int_{x_0}^x \frac{y_2f(s)}{W}ds[/tex]

Where [tex]x_0[/tex] is any number in I.

None of the books explain this. Can anyone explain to me about this?

Thanks
 
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If yp = u1y1 + u2y2 is a particular solution you found, then compare this to:

Yp = (u1+A)y1 + (u2+B)y2

=u1y1 + u2y2 + Ay1+ By2

When you plug the second expression into the equation the last two terms give 0 because they satisfy the homogeneous equation. So the constants don't give anything extra.
 
LCKurtz said:
If yp = u1y1 + u2y2 is a particular solution you found, then compare this to:

Yp = (u1+A)y1 + (u2+B)y2

=u1y1 + u2y2 + Ay1+ By2

When you plug the second expression into the equation the last two terms give 0 because they satisfy the homogeneous equation. So the constants don't give anything extra.

Thanks for the respond.

So you mean even using definite integral, substituding in x0 only produce a constant as in your example of A and B. These will be absorbed into the associate homogeneous part ( into c1 and c2).
 
yungman said:
This is where I have question. Some books use indefinite integral with the integration constant equal 0.

[tex]u_1= -\int \frac{y_2f(x)}{W}dx[/tex]

But other books gave:

[tex]u_1= -\int_{x_0}^x \frac{y_2f(s)}{W}ds[/tex]

Where [tex]x_0[/tex] is any number in I.

None of the books explain this. Can anyone explain to me about this?

Thanks

Does it matter? We only want a particular solution.
 

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