Question Regarding Harmonic Oscillator Eigenkets

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The discussion centers around the calculation of expectation values such as ,

, and for a harmonic oscillator using its eigenstates |n>. Participants explore whether a wavefunction needs to be defined in the |n> basis and how to handle the infinite dimensionality of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of defining a wavefunction in the |n> basis for calculating expectation values.
  • Another participant asserts that since |n> are eigenkets of the Hamiltonian and number operator, expectation values can be computed using linear combinations of ladder operators.
  • A participant seeks clarification on expressing |n> kets as linear combinations of ladder operators and questions how to manage the infinite dimensionality of the space, wondering if the results will remain finite.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the use of ladder operators to express position and momentum operators, indicating that the expectation values can be computed from this formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the utility of ladder operators in calculating expectation values, but there remains uncertainty regarding the treatment of infinite dimensionality and the necessity of defining wavefunctions in the |n> basis.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the implications of infinite dimensionality on the finiteness of the answers, nor have they clarified the assumptions regarding the use of ladder operators versus the representation of kets.

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Hi everyone!

Given that a harmonic oscillator has eigenkstates |n> where n = 1,2,3,..., how can we calculate <X>, <P>, <X^2>, etc. Is there a need to define a wavefunction in the |n> basis?

Thanks!
 
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Essentially no, because |n>'s are eigenkets of the number operator/Hamiltonian and X and P, though unbounded & with purely continuous spectrum, can be expressed as linear combinations of the raising & lowering ladder operators whose action on the eigenket's space becomes known once you establish that |n>'s are eigenkets of H and N.
 
So that means just express the |n> kets as linear combinations of the ladder operators, and then use them as ψ in the formula <X> = <ψ|X|ψ>? But how would you deal with the infinite dimensionality? Will the answer be finite in that case?

Thank you by the way for the idea!
 
Consider that
[tex] \hat{a}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\hat{x}+i\hat{p})[/tex]
and
[tex] \hat{a}^{\dagger}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\hat{x}-i\hat{p})[/tex]
You can use these to write [itex]\hat{x}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{p}[/itex] in terms of [itex]\hat{a}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{a}^{\dagger}[/itex]. Then you know
[tex] \hat{a}|n\rangle = \sqrt{n}|n-1\rangle[/tex]
and
[tex] \hat{a}^{\dagger}|n\rangle=\sqrt{n+1}|n+1\rangle[/tex]
You have the tools to take the expectation value.
 
Thunder_Jet said:
So that means just express the |n> kets as linear combinations of the ladder operators, and then use them as ψ in the formula <X> = <ψ|X|ψ>? But how would you deal with the infinite dimensionality? Will the answer be finite in that case?

Thank you by the way for the idea!

You don't express the kets as ladder operators acting on the vacuum, you express x and p as ladder operators.
 

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