Question regarding higgs, grravity, and electromagnetic dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Higgs boson, gravitons, and the concept of extra dimensions, particularly in the context of theoretical physics and speculative applications in science fiction. Participants explore various theories, including string theory and its implications for gravity and particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a connection between the Higgs boson and gravitons, proposing that dimensions 5-7 could relate to electromagnetic spectrums that manipulate these particles.
  • Another participant disagrees, stating that there is no established connection between the Higgs and gravitons in any known beyond the Standard Model (BSM) theory.
  • A later reply emphasizes that general relativity does not require a Higgs field or extra dimensions, and the Standard Model does not describe gravity.
  • String theory is mentioned as a framework that can include both gravitons and the Higgs boson, but it does not imply a direct relationship between them.
  • One participant questions whether there are known theories that can artificially affect gravity, specifically mentioning dark matter and energy as potential influences.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of language in physics discussions, particularly regarding the effects of forces on gravity.

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Participants express differing views on the connections between the Higgs boson, gravitons, and extra dimensions. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial claims regarding these relationships, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of artificially affecting gravity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of a proven theory of quantum gravity and the limitations of current models in addressing the relationship between gravity and other forces. The discussion highlights the complexity and nuances of theoretical physics without reaching definitive conclusions.

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This question is going to be very weird, but bear with me please. The higgs, we believe is associated with the gravitron, correct? And it's possible that dimensions 5-7 could be the electromagnetic spectrums that can manipulate the higgs/gravitron? Or am I not even close?

I am doing research for a science fiction story I am writing and am a stickler for making things as close to scientificly true as possible, or within the realm of possibility. Therefore, I don't like to break the basic rules of physics that we already know to be true, i.e.- When the fiction part takes over from the known laws of physics, I like for the fiction to atleast be true to science up to the point of what we know to be proven true.

Thanks.
 
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Yazirical said:
This question is going to be very weird, but bear with me please. The higgs, we believe is associated with the gravitron, correct?
No, I don't think so.

And it's possible that dimensions 5-7 could be the electromagnetic spectrums that can manipulate the higgs/gravitron?
Don't think so, either.

Or am I not even close?
Not in any BSM theory I know.

I am doing research for a science fiction story I am writing and am a stickler for making things as close to scientificly true as possible, or within the realm of possibility. Therefore, I don't like to break the basic rules of physics that we already know to be true, i.e.- When the fiction part takes over from the known laws of physics, I like for the fiction to atleast be true to science up to the point of what we know to be proven true.
There is no proven theory of quantum gravity, just the theory of gravity (general relativity) which does not require a Higgs-field or extra dimensions (unless 4D spacetime already counts as an extra dimension over 3D space to you) and the Standard Model of particle physics which does not require extra dimensions (same comment about 4D spacetime vs. 3D space here) and does not describe gravity at all.
 
Timo said:
There is no proven theory of quantum gravity, just the theory of gravity (general relativity) which does not require a Higgs-field or extra dimensions (unless 4D spacetime already counts as an extra dimension over 3D space to you) and the Standard Model of particle physics which does not require extra dimensions (same comment about 4D spacetime vs. 3D space here) and does not describe gravity at all.

There is string theory, which is capable of including both a graviton and a higgs. However as far as I know there is no special connection whatsoever between the graviton and the higgs in string theory, any more than there is between the higgs and anything else. (In fact I am not even sure that string theory always has a higgs.) String theory is also the most popular (only?) more-than-four-dimensional theory being used in physics today.

It is also worth noting however that string theory does not do the kaluza-klein thing of "assigning" dimensions to forces-- they wouldn't say that, like, "dimension 5 is the electromagnetic spectrum". Rather the idea is that string theory says that particles arise because of the vibrations and interactions of one-dimensional strings, and these strings can only exist inside a ten-dimensional (or eleven-dimensional, or 26-dimensional) background.
 
ok i re-read some of the stuff I had read before, and had mixed some of it up in my head.

So, is there nothing we currently know of that can effect the force of gravity? Is Dark Matter/energy the only thing we know of that theoretically can, and that might be solved soon at CERN?

And please don't respond with something like centrifugal force. You physicists are ever so picky with wording on things and I just don't know enough to phrase everything perfectly. I am looking for what, if any, theories exist about effecting gravity artificially with another force.
 

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