Question regarding if curvature is not constant

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The discussion revolves around the concept of curvature in different dimensional manifolds, particularly focusing on the differences between the curvature of 2-spheres and 3-spheres. Participants explore how curvature is defined and measured, especially in the context of the Riemann curvature tensor, and question the nature of flatness and curvature as relative terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for a 2-sphere, curvature is defined as k=1/R, where R is the radius, and questions how to generalize this for a 3-sphere.
  • Another participant explains that curvature is represented by the Riemann curvature tensor, which has different numbers of independent components depending on the dimensionality of the manifold.
  • It is mentioned that manifolds with constant curvature have all components of the curvature tensor constant, while flat surfaces have zero components of the Riemann tensor.
  • A participant asserts that the Riemann tensor is used to determine if a surface is flat or curved.
  • There is a discussion about whether the terms "flat" and "curved" are relative, with one participant asserting they are not, while another seeks further clarification on this point.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of flatness and curvature in terms of the Riemann curvature tensor. However, there is disagreement regarding whether flatness and curvature are relative terms, with one participant asserting they are not and another questioning this assertion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of curvature and the properties of the Riemann tensor, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored. The nature of flatness and curvature as relative terms remains unresolved.

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For 2-sphere it is having a curvature of k=1/R ,where R is the radius of the 2-sphere and to make it more generalised we treat the kR as the curvature which is always +1 and is independent of it's radius.
My question is how do we treat the curvature term for 3-sphere ,
And it the curvature term is not constt. unlike the 2-sphere ,in general how do we treat those cases and how it's functional form is determined??

Thank you
 
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Curvature in general is not a scalar, it's a tensor, the Riemann curvature tensor. It just happens that for a 2-D surface the curvature tensor has only one independent component, so it's the same as a scalar. But for a 3-D manifold, the curvature tensor has 6 independent components, and for a 4-D manifold (like spacetime in General Relativity) it has 20 independent components.

Manifolds with constant curvature are manifolds where all of the curvature tensor components are constant, i.e., the same everywhere.
 
PeterDonis said:
Curvature in general is not a scalar, it's a tensor, the Riemann curvature tensor. It just happens that for a 2-D surface the curvature tensor has only one independent component, so it's the same as a scalar. But for a 3-D manifold, the curvature tensor has 6 independent components, and for a 4-D manifold (like spacetime in General Relativity) it has 20 independent components.

Manifolds with constant curvature are manifolds where all of the curvature tensor components are constant, i.e., the same everywhere.
Ok that means that for flat 2-D surface and for flat 3-D surface the Reimann curvature tensor components is 0 but for 2-sphere and 3-sphere the Reimann curvature tensor components are not all zero ,that's how it is determined that the space is flat or curved??
 
Apashanka said:
that means that for flat 2-D surface and for flat 3-D surface the Reimann curvature tensor components is 0 but for 2-sphere and 3-sphere the Reimann curvature tensor components are not all zero ,that's how it is determined that the space is flat or curved??

That's correct, "flat" means all components of the Riemann tensor are zero, "curved" means they're not.
 
PeterDonis said:
That's correct, "flat" means all components of the Riemann tensor are zero, "curved" means they're not.
Ok sir thanks a lot.
That means sir Reimann tensor is the parameter which is used to know a surface is flat or curved.
But sir flat or curved aren't they are relative term (e.g flatness or curvedness is measured with respect to some thing)??
Am I right sir??
 
Apashanka said:
flat or curved aren't they are relative term

No.
 
Apashanka said:
will you please explain elaborately

No. What is hard to understand about my answer? If you think the answer should be different than the one I gave, then you should explain why you think that.
 

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