Question Regarding the Orbit of Comets

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The discussion revolves around the orbital mechanics of comets, specifically the Kreutz family of sun-grazing comets, and how their elongated orbits interact with the gravitational influences of the Sun and other celestial bodies in the solar system. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational locking and the conditions under which comets can be captured by other bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Sun's massive gravitational influence dominates the solar system, making it difficult for comets to be captured by other bodies unless they pass very close to them.
  • Another participant suggests that comets can be "locked" by a planet if they come close enough, citing Jupiter as an example of a body that can alter the orbits of many comets.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the Hill Sphere, explaining that for a smaller body to exert a stronger gravitational influence than the Sun, it must be significantly closer than the Sun is to the object in question.
  • There is a mention of the gravitational field equation, which illustrates the relationship between mass, distance, and gravitational acceleration, although no consensus is reached on its implications for comet orbits.
  • One participant expresses frustration at not having encountered the term "Hill Sphere" in their astronomy textbooks, indicating a gap in educational resources regarding this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Sun's gravitational influence is dominant in the solar system, but there is no consensus on the specific conditions under which comets can be captured by other bodies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these gravitational interactions.

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Limitations include potential gaps in educational materials regarding advanced concepts like the Hill Sphere and the specific distances required for gravitational capture, which may not be universally understood among participants.

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Recently, I attended a lecture at my university entitled "The Life and Death of a Star-Grazing Comet" presented by John Raymond, an astrophysicist at Harvard Smithsonian. In this lecture, he talked about Comet Lovejoy and how it allowed us to help study the corona of the sun. As the comet was so big, it survived going through the corona of the sun and allowed us to understand it (since we saw it come out the other side before it vaporized about a day later).

However, when he showed a picture of the orbit of the Kreutz family of comets (attached) depicting an extremely elongated orbit as it approaches our sun. From what I have always believed, the Earth is gravitationally "locked" to the sun; that is it is orbiting the sun and the sun is the major body influencing the Earth's motion (keeping it going around the sun and not another body). I was wondering how a comet can get such an elongated orbit and still be gravitationally locked to the sun in the same way, that is we can predict when it will return because it has a very specific orbital period.

If something is going so far out in the solar system, why does it not get "locked" to another body that it gets closer to on the way to and from the sun? If the orbit is so elongated, why doesn't it fall into orbit of another large body somewhere else in the solar system? Is it because of where they come from, as in nothing out where they come from is massive enough to hold a comet in their orbit?

Edit: in the picture, as I'm sure you guessed, the thing, very elongated lines coming from the bottom of the page are the orbital paths of the Kreutz family of sun-grazing comets.
 

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Hi Yosty22! :smile:
Yosty22 said:
If something is going so far out in the solar system, why does it not get "locked" to another body that it gets closer to on the way to and from the sun? If the orbit is so elongated, why doesn't it fall into orbit of another large body somewhere else in the solar system? Is it because of where they come from, as in nothing out where they come from is massive enough to hold a comet in their orbit?

It will get "locked" if it gets close enough to a planet.

(lots of comets are caught, or at least have their orbits altered, by Jupiter)

But there aren't any planets out there, away from the plane of the ecliptic!
 
The Sun is so much more massive than the rest of the bodies in the solar system that it's gravitational influence dominates almost everywhere.

For a body to be captured by some other body's gravity(or "locked", as you say), it has to pass close enough to it that the gravitational field of the small body becomes stronger than that from the Sun. But since the Sun is so massive, that sphere of influence(called Hill Sphere - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_sphere) is very small.

You can get a feel for the distances involved by analysing the gravitational field equation:

g=G\frac{M}{R^2}

where g is basically the acceleration experienced by anybody at distance R from the mass M, towards that body.

So, the gravitational field of e.g. Jupiter, which is ~1/1000th as massive as the Sun, would become stronger than our star's only if the distance to Jupiter is ~31 times closer than to the Sun.
 
Thanks for the reference on the hill sphere, its a term I hadn't heard before not even in my astronomy textbooks Grrrrr. Not too surprised on the textbook thing though lol astronomy is a broad science.
 

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