Question related to Riemann sums, sups, and infs of bounded functions

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The discussion revolves around the existence of bounded functions defined on a closed interval [a,b] that do not attain their supremum or infimum. Participants explore examples of discontinuous functions and their properties, particularly in relation to Riemann sums and integrability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an example of a bounded function on [a,b] that does not attain its supremum or infimum, noting that such a function cannot be continuous.
  • Another participant suggests a function defined as f(x) = x except at the endpoints where it equals (a+b)/2, implying it may serve as an example.
  • A third participant proposes a more complex function defined using a series and a characteristic function, claiming it is bounded and does not attain its supremum of 1 on the interval [0,1]. They also inquire about the Riemann integrability of this function.
  • A later reply acknowledges the simplicity of the second participant's example compared to their own, expressing gratitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive example of a bounded function that meets the criteria, and multiple examples are proposed, indicating a lack of agreement on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about continuity and boundedness, and the integrability of the proposed functions is not resolved. The nature of discontinuities in the suggested functions may also affect their properties.

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Readers interested in real analysis, particularly in the study of bounded functions, Riemann sums, and properties of integrability may find this discussion relevant.

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Can someone give me an example of a bounded function f defined on a closed interval [a,b] such that f does not attain its sup (or inf) on this interval? Obviously, f cannot be continuous, but for whatever reason (stupidity? lack of imagination?) I can't think of an example of a discontinuous, bounded function for which \sup\limits_{x\in [a,b]} f(x) \neq \max\limits_{x\in [a,b]} f(x).
 
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AxiomOfChoice said:
Can someone give me an example of a bounded function f defined on a closed interval [a,b] such that f does not attain its sup (or inf) on this interval? Obviously, f cannot be continuous, but for whatever reason (stupidity? lack of imagination?) I can't think of an example of a discontinuous, bounded function for which \sup\limits_{x\in [a,b]} f(x) \neq \max\limits_{x\in [a,b]} f(x).
f(x) = x except at the end points where it equals (a+b)/2
 
Hmmm...I think I may have just thought of one! On [0,1], define f(1) = 0, and let
<br /> f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{n}{n+1} \chi_{\left[ \left. \frac{n}{n+1},\frac{n+1}{n+2} \right) \right.}(x).<br />
Then f(x) \leq 1 for all x, \sup\limits_{x\in[0,1]} f(x) = 1, but f(x) \neq 1 for all x\in [0,1]. And, if I'm not mistaken, f is still Riemann integrable, since there are only countably many points at which it is discontinuous. Can someone confirm if this is actually true?
 
lavinia said:
f(x) = x except at the end points where it equals (a+b)/2
This is much easier than my example. Thanks!
 

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