Question: What is the Universe Expanding Into?

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The discussion centers around the concept of the universe's expansion and what it may be expanding into, exploring both theoretical and conceptual implications. Participants examine various models and ideas related to cosmology, the nature of space, and the implications of the Big Bang theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what the universe is expanding into, suggesting that if the universe itself is expanding, there is no external "place" for it to expand into.
  • Others argue that the universe is not expanding into anything, asserting that it encompasses everything and that the distances between objects are simply increasing over time.
  • A participant proposes an alternative idea that instead of the universe expanding, everything could be contracting, which would create the illusion of expansion between objects.
  • Another participant critiques this contraction idea, suggesting it has been debunked and raises concerns about the implications of scaling down constants of nature.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the Big Bang and whether the age of the universe is finite or not, with some asserting that the singularity represents an "absolute past" that cannot be reached.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea of time behaving differently as one approaches a singularity, while others speculate about the implications of time dilation in relation to black holes.
  • There is a debate over whether the Big Bang occurred at a definite point in time or a relative point, with differing opinions on the nature of time itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of the universe's expansion, the implications of the Big Bang, and the characteristics of time. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various cosmological concepts and theories, including the nature of singularities, time dilation, and the implications of the Big Bang, without reaching definitive conclusions. Some ideas presented are speculative and lack empirical support.

  • #31
bill alsept said:
You are right I was looking at it from an outsiders point of view and I realize ones on time frame would be normal. I just ment that a singularity as in a large mass could cause time changing characteristics.

What do you mean by time changing charecteristics? Are you just paraphrasing gravitational time dilation or do you have a different meaning?
 
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  • #32
Cosmo Novice said:
What do you mean by time changing charecteristics? Are you just paraphrasing gravitational time dilation or do you have a different meaning?

As in post #9 above
 
  • #33
bill alsept said:
As in post #9 above

Phind's post is describing normal time dilation. It's less confusing if you just use that term instead of "time changing characteristics". :biggrin:
 
  • #34
Drakkith said:
Phind's post is describing normal time dilation. It's less confusing if you just use that term instead of "time changing characteristics". :biggrin:

Thats where I got the term from. I didn't come up with it. Thats why I was asking.
 
  • #35
bill alsept said:
Thats where I got the term from. I didn't come up with it. Thats why I was asking.

Hmm. I've never heard of it before. My mistake.
 
  • #36
As has already been pointed out previously in this thread by contributors...the physics describing our Universe does NOT allow, nor require another "hyper" dimension in which it expands. The curvature of our Universe is an intrinsic property, and does not require higher dimensions (again, as has already been noted).

The simplest and most succinct explanation, IMHO, comes courtesy of Proffessor Edward Harrison. "The Universe contains both Space and Time, and does NOT exist in Space and Time". In other words, our Universe contains everything that is physical, and nothing that is non-physical. Space and Time are physical constructs that exist within our Universe.

Also, in accordance to the Location Principle, as well as the Containment Principle and the Cosmological Principle, there is no boundary or "edge" to our Universe. The expansion of our Universe (change in Scale factor) is an intrinsic property, and is "self-contained" and self-consistent. Since our Universe contains all of "Space", there is no "external" space within which the Universe expands into. Instead, our Universe consists of expanding space.
 

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