Questions about moons of the solar system

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The discussion revolves around the moons of the solar system, specifically focusing on Io and Deimos. Participants explore concepts related to electric flux between Io and Jupiter, the feasibility of reaching Io, and the potential destruction of Deimos using a powerful bomb. The scope includes theoretical considerations, speculative scenarios, and references to fictional works.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the nature of electric flux between Io and Jupiter, speculating on its effects such as lightning and auroras.
  • There is a discussion about the gravitational well of Io, with one participant suggesting that reaching it requires significant velocity and careful orbital planning.
  • Participants reference the gravitational binding energy of Deimos and question whether a bomb like the Tsar could destroy it, with calculations suggesting it might be possible if detonated at the center.
  • One participant notes that if the bomb were to detonate on the surface instead of the center, it would require significantly more power to achieve similar destructive results.
  • There are considerations about the aftermath of such an explosion, including the fate of fragments and their potential impact on Mars or escape into space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the feasibility of destroying Deimos and the implications of such an explosion. There is no consensus on the exact requirements for destruction or the effects of the explosion.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of gravitational binding energy and the mechanics of explosive force, which remain unresolved. The calculations and speculative scenarios depend on various conditions that are not fully explored.

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At first, i would have questions about Io.
How should i imagine the electric flux between it and Jupiter?
Does it make a series of lightnings, aurora borealis, jam nearby radio communications?

In an Asimov book they needed some magitech to reach Io, is it really so deep in the gravity well?

I read Rise of the Leviathan, where Deimos was destroyed in the battle between Earth and Mars.
Could a bomb like the Tsar destroy a moon like Deimos?
 
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GTOM said:
At first, i would have questions about Io.
How should i imagine the electric flux between it and Jupiter?
Does it make a series of lightnings, aurora borealis, jam nearby radio communications?
Looks like a system of continuous currents, but I'm sure there are books about that.

In an Asimov book they needed some magitech to reach Io, is it really so deep in the gravity well?
~25km/s with a direct approach, neglecting Io itself (compared to ~11km/s for earth), but a clever choice of orbits allows to approach it with less delta-v. The Jupiter Europa Orbiter would have done something similar to reduce its speed.

I read Rise of the Leviathan, where Deimos was destroyed in the battle between Earth and Mars.
Could a bomb like the Tsar destroy a moon like Deimos?
1.4*10^16J gravitational binding energy, a factor 10 below the Tsar bomb. Could be possible if you let it explode in the center. You might get multiple large fragments.
 
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Note: there are reasons to believe Tsar bomb was designed to be scalable, so in principle it should be not difficult to make it even more powerful.
 
GTOM said:
Does that mean if you couldn't drill to the center, just bomb the surface, it would require much more firepower than the Tsar Bomb to shatter it?
Yes. The bomb would mainly emit some high-energetic radiation to space and melt a part of the surface.
(And still the large fragments can be used as cover for spacecraft ?)
Cover of what? If the explosion is violent enough, most of them would hit the surface of Mars within an orbit, or escape to interplanetary space.
 
"If the explosion is violent enough, most of them would hit the surface of Mars within an orbit, or escape to interplanetary space. "

Thanks i haven't thought about that.
 

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