Questions about (potential) variations in the Fine Structure Constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential variations in the Fine Structure Constant, exploring whether such variations are supported by evidence and the implications of these variations in the context of physics. Participants raise questions about the evidence, particularly related to Magnesium absorption lines, and the theoretical frameworks that might allow for such variations.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Noel questions whether the possibility of variation in the Fine Structure Constant is generally supported and seeks contrasting viewpoints.
  • Noel notes that most material he has encountered seems supportive of the idea of variations.
  • Noel inquires why Magnesium is the element primarily used in evidence for variations.
  • One participant suggests that the result indicating variations is still considered unlikely and emphasizes the need for independent measurements.
  • Another participant mentions that current laws of physics do not allow for variations, attributing this to the lack of observed variations thus far.
  • There is a discussion about the complexities of time- and space-dependent variations and the potential for incorporating them into existing theories.
  • A participant describes a theoretical approach involving a scalar field that could influence the interaction terms related to the Fine Structure Constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of variations in the Fine Structure Constant, with some supporting the idea and others remaining skeptical. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the validity of the evidence or the implications of potential variations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the absence of independent measurements and the challenges of integrating variations into current physical theories. There is also mention of the need for more critical literature on the subject.

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I have read an amount of material on (potential) variations in the Fine Structure Constant. The majority of the material seems cautiously positive in declaring support for the potential variations, but I have a couple of question that you may be able to help me with.

1) Am I correct is believing that the possibility of variation in the constant over the evolution of the universe is generally supported? If anyone can point me at articles that look unfavourably at this possibility, I would appreciate it so that I can have a balanced view (I think that everything that I have read is broadly supportive).

2) From what I understand, the primary evidence is based on the absorption lines associated with Magnesium (and associated isotopes). Why was / is Magnesium the element used?

Thanks for all you help.

Regards,

Noel.
 
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Thanks Naty1. That was very helpful, and the references (especially 41 & 42) are just what I was looking for. I knew that no matter what I found I would need to do more reading on this... but everything I was reading seemed so supportive - I knew that there had to be more questioning material outthere but just wasn't finding it!

Thanks again.

Regards,

Noel.
 
I'd just like to point out that this result is largely considered to still be rather unlikely. It is prudent to continue to consider it unlikely until we get an independent measurement of the same result, using a different sort of evidence.
 
Thanks Chalnoth. Understood and agreed (which is why I was surprised that all of the material I was reading seemed broadly supportive, with little questioning / challanging).

Regards,

Noel.
 
I would have thought this is an incredibly profound result if confirmed. I am wondering does anyone know if there are any other teams trying to replicate the results?
 
It is likely that there are. However, I don't know any specific one.

Am I correct is believing that the possibility of variation in the constant over the evolution of the universe is generally supported?
The current laws of physics don't allow variations, but that has a simple reason: We didn't see any variation so far, and the laws were constructed to reflect this.
Time- and space-dependent variations can be a bit tricky as there is no universal flat spacetime. However, if variations are measured, I am sure it is somehow possible to include them into the theories.
 
mfb said:
It is likely that there are. However, I don't know any specific one.


The current laws of physics don't allow variations, but that has a simple reason: We didn't see any variation so far, and the laws were constructed to reflect this.
Time- and space-dependent variations can be a bit tricky as there is no universal flat spacetime. However, if variations are measured, I am sure it is somehow possible to include them into the theories.
As I understand it, the way this game is played is that a scalar field is proposed which couples with the interaction term, and the dynamics of that scalar field determine how the interaction in question changes with time and space. For example, it's possible to write down a scalar field which makes it so that the electromagnetic force is slightly stronger in strong gravitational fields.
 

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