Questions on Electrolysis and Fuel Cells

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The discussion revolves around questions related to electrolysis and fuel cells, specifically focusing on the effects of electrode materials, distances between electrodes, and the role of catalysts in these processes. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical implications in electrochemical reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Adrian questions how different electrode materials, such as zinc and copper, affect the rate of electrolysis.
  • Some participants suggest that inert materials are preferable for electrodes, indicating that neither zinc nor copper may be ideal.
  • There is a discussion on the impact of the distance between electrodes on the reaction speed, with a participant noting that greater distances increase resistance, requiring higher voltage for the same reaction speed.
  • One participant emphasizes that the speed of the reaction is more directly related to the current rather than the voltage, referencing Faraday's law of electrolysis.
  • Another participant elaborates on the role of catalysts, explaining that a good catalyst lowers the activation energy and that platinum is effective due to its optimal bond strength with hydrogen.
  • It is noted that while platinum group metals are good catalysts for fuel cells, the complexity of the oxygen reduction reaction is acknowledged but not fully explored.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of current in determining reaction speed and the role of catalysts, but there are differing views on the suitability of specific electrode materials and the implications of electrode distance on reaction rates.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various factors affecting electrolysis, such as overpotential, temperature, and the specific properties of catalysts, but do not resolve the complexities surrounding the oxygen reduction reaction or the ideal electrode materials.

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Hey all,

This is just a post about some questions I had regarding electrolysis and fuel cells. I know that when electricity is forced through water the water molecules split, and produce hydrogen and oxygen gas. I was wondering how things like the electrode material and how far apart they are affect the rate of reaction?

If I used zinc metal, would it be different from copper? If they are one centimeter apart, will it be faster than 5 cm apart?

I am also curious about why platinum seems to be a good choice in hydrogen fuel cells as the catalyst. I have always wondered, what makes a specific element a good catalyst -i.e. can I substitute platinum with graphite?

Cheers,
Adrian
 
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adoado said:
If I used zinc metal, would it be different from copper?

Yes, you want electrode from the inert material - neither is inert enough here.

If they are one centimeter apart, will it be faster than 5 cm apart?

Speed of the reaction depends in this case mostly by the current that you are able to force. Large distance between electrode means large resistance, which in turn means you will need higher voltage for the same speed. That's not all, but that's the first effect to take care of.
 
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Borek said:
Speed of the reaction depends in this case mostly by the current that you are able to force. Large distance between electrode means large resistance, which in turn means you will need higher voltage for the same speed. That's not all, but that's the first effect to take care of.

Will the speed depend more directly on the current or the power? (not that it matters for the answer since both models predict that the speed of the reaction will decrease with increasing resistance).
 
I would say on the current - after all, it is all about charge & Faraday's law of electrolysis. Voltage is the driving force, but it is current that does the job.
 
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The rate at which the reaction occurs is directly proportional to current, as borek stated. The major parameters that effect that rate are overpotential or voltage (obviously), temperature, and of course catalysts.

A catalyst is a material that lowers the activation energy of a chemical reaction yielding a greater average probability that a reaction will actually occur. In laymens terms, it reduces the size of the "energy hill" that the molecules will have to clime before they can do anything. A good catalyst is a material that makes this hill as small as possible.

What makes Pt a good catalyst for fuel cells is that it has a good intermediate bond-strength for the hydrogen charge transfer reaction. If the bond strength between the metal and the hydrogen is to weak, then the hydrogen won't bond to the surface of the catalyst. If the bond strength is to strong, then it won't leave the surface of the catalyst. So a good catalyst essentially has that "goldylocks" bond strength between itself and the reactants. For hydrogen, this peak catalytic activity is in the platinum group metals. So metals like Pt, Pd, Ir, and Rh will all make good catalysts for fuel cells or electrolysis cells.

A sort of similar thing happens on the other side of cell where oxygen is reduced but its much more complicated and not well understood so I won't go into it.
 
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