Quick question regarding isomorphic groups?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a specific matrix representation of elements in a field and the conditions under which certain matrix structures form fields. Participants explore various aspects of isomorphic groups, field characteristics, and the existence of multiplicative inverses within these structures.

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  • One participant presents a matrix R and poses several questions regarding its properties as a commutative ring and conditions for it to be a field.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the original post, suggesting it resembles a homework problem and asks for clarification on the poster's understanding and attempts.
  • A participant asserts that only F2 would be a prime subfield such that R is a field, while also inquiring about fields F that are isomorphic to f(t), the set of formal fractions.
  • There is a discussion about showing that Q[sqrt(2), sqrt(3)] is a field, with one participant providing a method to demonstrate the existence of multiplicative inverses for elements in that field.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the placement of a response that seems unrelated to the current topic, suggesting a potential error in the thread organization.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the properties of R as a field, and multiple viewpoints regarding the conditions for R to be a field and the existence of inverses are presented. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the specific characteristics of fields and their isomorphisms.

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Some participants' claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about fields and matrix operations, which are not fully articulated in the discussion. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the demonstration of multiplicative inverses.

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Let F be a field. R is an element of Mat(2,2)
[a -b
b a]
for a, b in F with matrix operations.
a. Show that R is a commutative ring with 1 and the set of diagonal matrices are
naturally isomorphic to F .
b. For which of the fields Q , R , C , F5
, F7
is R a field?
c. Characterize which elements of R have a multiplicative inverse.
d. Characterize the fields F for which R will be a fi eld.
e. For which Fp
( p prime) is R a field?
 
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That looks like an entire homework problem.
So where do you get stuck? What have you tried already?
 
Just wanted to confirm my answer.only F2 would be a prime subfield such that R is a field right?

There's just one problem I can't figure out. Give examples of fields F such that
f is isomorphic to f(t) where f(t) is the set of formal fractions.

And just one more thing. How would you show Q[sqrt2 sqrt3] is a field? I'm having trouble showing multiplicative inverse.

Thanks
 
If you want to "confirm an answer", then tell us what your answer is!
 
inverse element for field a + bsqrt(2) + c(sqrt(3)

Yes there is an inverse element, you just have to work at it a little. Let's say your element is a + b√2 + c√3 and you want to show that 1/( a + b√2 + c√3) is in the field. As a first step multiply top and bottom of that fraction by a + b√2 - c√3 giving you

( a + b√2 + c√3)/((a + b√2)[itex]^2[/itex] +3c[itex]^{2}[/itex])

the denominator becomes a[itex]^{2}[/itex] + 2b[itex]^{2}[/itex] +3c[itex]^{2}[/itex] + ab√2.

Now multiply numerator and denominator by
a[itex]^{2}[/itex] + 2b[itex]^{2}[/itex] +3c[itex]^{2}[/itex] - ab√2

Your denominator will be all real and the numerator will have various terms that can be simplified down to something in your field.
 
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For some reason the answer up above got placed in this topic. But it was the answer to another question. I wonder if I managed to actually do this, or is there a bug somewhere?
 

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