Quick question: statistical mechanics

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The discussion revolves around a statistical mechanics problem concerning the distinct spin quantum states of the orthohydrogen molecule, which is a composite system made up of four particles, including electrons. Participants are exploring the implications of including electron spin states in the calculation of microstates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning whether to include electron spin states in the calculation and discussing the implications of treating particles as distinguishable versus indistinguishable. There are attempts to compute the total number of spin states based on these assumptions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the orthohydrogen molecule and the counting of spin states, while others express uncertainty about the combinatorial logic involved in determining the number of microstates. Multiple interpretations regarding the treatment of particle distinguishability are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that all particles are distinguishable, which may not align with standard quantum mechanics principles regarding identical particles. The discussion also highlights the challenge of understanding combinatorial reasoning in this context.

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Just a quick ponderance on a statistical mechanics problem.

"How many distinct spin quantum states has the orthohydrogen molecule?"

Does one include the electron spin states in the calculation? I'm inclined to say yes, as they most definitely have spin and most definitely are a different microstate for each arrangement. I'm not terribly familiar with the formulation of statistical mechanics so I'm not sure whether this is exactly what the question is asking, though.
 
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Ortodydrogen molecule is a composite system made up by 4 particles. Each particle has 2 possible spin states. Using the fact that the electron spins are added as to give the "orto" state, compute all possible arrays of spin.
 
Excellent, that's what I thought.

So, taking the assumption that all particles are distinguishable - I presume this is standard for any quantum state question - there are 8 states of orthohydrogen by my counting. Correct?

I've drawn diagrams to work this out - the childish method. I just can't get my head around the combinatoric logic of working out microstates.
 
Sojourner01 said:
Excellent, that's what I thought.

So, taking the assumption that all particles are distinguishable - I presume this is standard for any quantum state question - there are 8 states of orthohydrogen by my counting. Correct?

I've drawn diagrams to work this out - the childish method. I just can't get my head around the combinatoric logic of working out microstates.

Two of the particles are identical, namely the electrons.
 

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