Quick Trigonometric Substitution Question

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometric substitution problem related to the integral $$\int\frac{1}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+4}}\,dx$$. Participants explore various substitution methods, specifically using $$x=2\tan(\theta)$$, and discuss the subsequent steps in solving the integral, including expressing the result in terms of the original variable x.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses doubt about their answer for a specific part of the problem, leading to a request for assistance.
  • Multiple participants propose using the substitution $$x=2\tan(\theta)$$ and derive expressions for the integral in terms of $$\theta$$.
  • There is a correction regarding the coefficient in the integral, with one participant pointing out a mistake in the earlier calculation.
  • Participants discuss the substitution of variables, particularly how to express the integral in terms of $$u$$ and subsequently revert to the variable $$x$$.
  • One participant questions the correctness of a derived expression, suggesting it seems off, while another provides an alternative form of the solution involving cosecant.
  • There is a discussion about the geometric interpretation of the angle $$\theta$$ in relation to the triangle formed by the substitution, specifically focusing on the relationship between the sides and the cosecant function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of certain expressions derived from the integral. There are competing views on the proper form of the solution and the steps involved in the substitution process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the substitution and the expression of the integral in terms of $$x$$. Some assumptions about the relationships between the variables and the geometric interpretations remain implicit.

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Hey guys,

I'm really doubting my answer for 4b specifically.

I used x=tan(Ø) and got (-1/4)cot(Ø) - (Ø) + C. I'm really not sure about this one.

Thanks in advance.
 

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We are given:

$$\int\frac{1}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+4}}\,dx$$

Now, I would use:

$$x=2\tan(\theta)\,\therefore\,dx=2\sec^2(\theta)\,d\theta$$

and we have:

$$\int\frac{2\sec^2(\theta)}{4\tan^2(\theta)2\sec(\theta)}\,d\theta=\frac{1}{4}\int\frac{\cos(\theta)}{\sin^2(\theta)}\,d\theta$$

Can you proceed?
 
MarkFL said:
We are given:

$$\int\frac{1}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+4}}\,dx$$

Now, I would use:

$$x=2\tan(\theta)\,\therefore\,dx=2\sec^2(\theta)\,d\theta$$

and we have:

$$\int\frac{2\sec^2(\theta)}{4\tan^2(\theta)\sec(\theta)}\,d\theta=\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{\cos(\theta)}{\sin^2(\theta)}\,d\theta$$

Can you proceed?

I'm sure you mean $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{4} \int{ \frac{\cos{\left( \theta \right) } }{\sin^2{\left( \theta \right) } } \,\mathrm{d}\theta} \end{align*}$ don't you Mark?
 
Prove It said:
I'm sure you mean $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{4} \int{ \frac{\cos{\left( \theta \right) } }{\sin^2{\left( \theta \right) } } \,\mathrm{d}\theta} \end{align*}$ don't you Mark?

Yes, I corrected my mistake...thanks! :D
 
MarkFL said:
We are given:

$$\int\frac{1}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+4}}\,dx$$

Now, I would use:

$$x=2\tan(\theta)\,\therefore\,dx=2\sec^2(\theta)\,d\theta$$

and we have:

$$\int\frac{2\sec^2(\theta)}{4\tan^2(\theta)2\sec(\theta)}\,d\theta=\frac{1}{4}\int\frac{\cos(\theta)}{\sin^2(\theta)}\,d\theta$$

Can you proceed?
I'm guessing that u=sin $ \theta $

And thus the cos gets substituted out?

Thanks.

Edit: But how would I go about expressing it in terms of "x" again?
 
ardentmed said:
I'm guessing that u=sin $ \theta $

And thus the cos gets substituted out?

Thanks.

Edit: But how would I go about expressing it in terms of "x" again?

If by "substituted out" you mean "since $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\mathrm{d}x} = -\cos{(x)} \end{align*}$, that means the integral with respect to u becomes $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\int{ \frac{1}{u^2}\,\mathrm{d}u} \end{align*}$, then yes...
 
Prove It said:
If by "substituted out" you mean "since $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\mathrm{d}x} = -\cos{(x)} \end{align*}$, that means the integral with respect to u becomes $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\int{ \frac{1}{u^2}\,\mathrm{d}u} \end{align*}$, then yes...

I'm certain you mean $$\frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\mathrm{d}\theta}=\cos(\theta)$$ right? (Thinking)

ardentmed said:
...Edit: But how would I go about expressing it in terms of "x" again?

If $x=2\tan(\theta)$, then what is $\theta$ in terms of $x$?
 
MarkFL said:
I'm certain you mean $$\frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\mathrm{d}\theta}=\cos(\theta)$$ right? (Thinking)
If $x=2\tan(\theta)$, then what is $\theta$ in terms of $x$?

Yes that is exactly what I meant. I think between us Mark, we have one functioning human being hahaha :P
 
Prove It said:
Yes that is exactly what I meant. I think between us Mark, we have one functioning human being hahaha :P

True, but how would I go about expressing it in terms of x?

(I'm referring to your other post by the way).

Thanks in advance.
 
  • #10
Since:

$$x=2\tan(\theta)$$

then:

$$\theta=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)$$
 
  • #11
Wait, so doesn't -1/(4sinarctan(x/2)) +c seem a bit off? Or is it just me?
 
  • #12
You have the correct solution, which I would choose to write as:

$$I=-\frac{1}{4}\csc\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)+C$$

So, this angle $\theta$ is such that its tangent is $$\frac{x}{2}$$.

This means we may draw a right triangle where the side opposite $\theta$ is $x$ and the side adjacent is $2$. In order to determine its cosecant, we need to know the hypotenuse, which we can obtain via Pythagoras, and then we can use the definition:

$$\csc(\theta)=\frac{\text{hypotenuse}}{\text{opposite}}$$

So, what do you get?
 

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