R-modules and Homomorphism of Rings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the phrase "in a natural way" in the context of showing that every \(S\)-module can be considered as an \(R\)-module given a ring homomorphism \(f:R\rightarrow S\). Participants explore the implications of this relationship and how to define the \(R\)-module structure on \(S\)-modules.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "in a natural way" and questions whether it implies the existence of an isomorphism between \(S\) and a sub-module of \(R\).
  • Another participant proposes a definition of the operation \(R\times M\rightarrow M\) as \(r.m=f(r)m\) for an \(S\)-module \(M\), suggesting this operation allows \(M\) to satisfy the properties of an \(R\)-module.
  • A later reply asserts that the definition of \(r.m\) is essentially the only available method to define the action of \(R\) on \(M\), indicating that this approach is standard in the context of module theory.
  • Further, it is mentioned that this theorem allows any \(\mathbb{Z}_n\)-module to be regarded as a \(\mathbb{Z}\)-module, highlighting the utility of this perspective in polynomial investigations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of "in a natural way" as being related to the defined operation \(r.m=f(r)m\). However, there is no explicit consensus on the necessity of isomorphisms or other interpretations, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

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The discussion does not resolve the initial confusion about the phrase "in a natural way" and does not clarify the implications of the proposed definitions or theorems fully. There are also no explicit definitions provided for the terms used, which may affect understanding.

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Hi everyone, :)

I find it difficult to get the exact meaning of the following question. What does "in a natural way" means? Is it that we have to show that there exist a isomorphism between \(S\) and a sub-module of \(R\)? Any ideas are greatly appreciated. :)

Question:

Given a ring homomorphism \(f:R\rightarrow S\), show that every \(S\)-module can be considered as an \(R\)-module in a natural way.
 
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Sudharaka said:
Hi everyone, :)

I find it difficult to get the exact meaning of the following question. What does "in a natural way" means? Is it that we have to show that there exist a isomorphism between \(S\) and a sub-module of \(R\)? Any ideas are greatly appreciated. :)

Question:

Given a ring homomorphism \(f:R\rightarrow S\), show that every \(S\)-module can be considered as an \(R\)-module in a natural way.

I think I am getting some understanding. Suppose if we have a \(S\)-module called \(M\). Then we can define the operation \(R\times M\rightarrow M\) as, \(r.m=f( r)\,m\). Under this operation it's clear that \(M\) becomes a \(R\)-module. This can be verified by showing that \(M\) satisfies the \(R\)-module properties under the operation defined above.

This I believe is the natural way of defining an \(R\)-module from a given \(S\)-module where \(R\) and \(S\) are homomorphic. Correct me if I am wrong. :)
 
Yes.

It is "natural" because it's pretty much the only way you have available to define

$r.m$.

This theorem tells us, for example, that any $\Bbb Z_n$-module can simply be regarded as a $\Bbb Z$-module, that is: an abelian group, and explains why reducing a polynomial (mod p) can be so useful in investigating polynomials with integer coefficients, because often information in the $S$-module can be "lifted" to an $R$-module.
 
Deveno said:
Yes.

It is "natural" because it's pretty much the only way you have available to define

$r.m$.

This theorem tells us, for example, that any $\Bbb Z_n$-module can simply be regarded as a $\Bbb Z$-module, that is: an abelian group, and explains why reducing a polynomial (mod p) can be so useful in investigating polynomials with integer coefficients, because often information in the $S$-module can be "lifted" to an $R$-module.

Thank you so much. I am sure your immense knowledge about these things will be of great help to me this semester. :)
 

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