I Rabi Hamiltonian : counter-rotating terms

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The discussion centers on the counter-rotating terms of the Rabi Hamiltonian, specifically the terms a†σ+ and aσ−, which describe transitions involving photon emission and absorption in a two-level atom modeled with spin-1/2 operators. These terms are often considered counter-intuitive, as they imply that an electron can be excited by emitting a photon or relaxed by absorbing one. The conversation highlights that in the context of the Jaynes-Cummings model, these rapidly oscillating contributions are typically neglected in the rotating-wave approximation. However, for systems with strong coupling, neglecting these terms is not feasible, as they play a significant role in the dynamics. Understanding these counter-rotating terms is crucial for accurately describing quantum systems beyond the simplified models.
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Hello,

I'm trying to understand the counter-rotating terms of the Rabi Hamiltonian : ##a^\dagger \sigma_+## and ##a \sigma_-##.

I find these terms rather strange, in the sense that naively I would interpret them as describing an electron that gets excited by emitting a photon (and vice versa).
So how should these terms be correctly interpreted ?

Thanks.
 
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I'd need a bit more context. What are the annihilation and creation operators and the "spin-ladder operators" refer to? Maybe you refer to the Jaynes-Cummings model?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaynes–Cummings_model

Here a two-level "atom" is formally described using spin-1/2 operators. The "counter-rotating terms" mean transitions, where a photon is emitted and the atom is excited to a higher state or a photon is absorbed and the atom relaxes to its lower state.

As explained in the Wikipedia article these rapidly oscillating contributions are often neglected, leading to the solvable "rotating-wave approximation".
 
vanhees71 said:
I'd need a bit more context. What are the annihilation and creation operators and the "spin-ladder operators" refer to? Maybe you refer to the Jaynes-Cummings model?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaynes–Cummings_model

I'm referring to the Rabi Hamiltonian model (Jaynes-Cumming model without the rotating-wave approximation).

vanhees71 said:
Here a two-level "atom" is formally described using spin-1/2 operators. The "counter-rotating terms" mean transitions, where a photon is emitted and the atom is excited to a higher state or a photon is absorbed and the atom relaxes to its lower state.

Yes this is exactly what I don't understand (at least I found this terms counter-intuitive).

vanhees71 said:
As explained in the Wikipedia article these rapidly oscillating contributions are often neglected, leading to the solvable "rotating-wave approximation".

Yes but for strong coupling with matter we cannot neglect them.
 
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