Can Radar Technology See Through Walls and Accurately Detect 3D Shapes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the capabilities of radar technology in detecting objects through walls and accurately representing 3D shapes. Participants explore various applications, including potential uses in augmented reality and virtual reality, while considering the limitations and effectiveness of different technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the safety of radar and its ability to detect nearby objects and accurately represent 3D shapes, suggesting a need for technology that integrates with augmented reality.
  • Another participant claims that radar can create 3D images of people through walls using wifi signals, although the implications of privacy and practicality are not fully addressed.
  • Some participants argue that the effectiveness of radar depends on the application, noting that radiowaves have longer wavelengths than visible light, which may limit their ability to identify small objects accurately.
  • A suggestion is made to use stereo vision and parallax for depth estimation as a potentially easier and safer alternative to radar.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality and cost of implementing radar technology for seeing through walls, with one participant suggesting that optical LIDAR might be more suitable for rendering virtual objects in real-world settings.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of using radar to see through various types of walls, with some participants questioning whether radar can penetrate reinforced concrete or walls with metal.
  • Another participant posits that while wifi can pass through walls, the effectiveness of radar depends on factors such as wavelength and antenna configuration, suggesting that it might be possible to create a 3D image with sufficient data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and effectiveness of radar technology for seeing through walls, with no consensus reached on its capabilities or the best approach for the intended applications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various assumptions about the materials of walls and the specific conditions under which radar may or may not work effectively. Limitations regarding the practicality and cost of implementing such technologies are also noted.

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Using technology to detect 3D space.
I was wondering if radar is safe, can it detect near objects (lets say 50 feet away) and does it accurately see 3D shapes? I am looking for a technology that could maybe supplement augmented reality in the sense that VR objects can be given GPS locations, but don't know if there is something in front or behind it in real life and therefore always appears in foreground. Any ideas?
 
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RADAR is more advanced than you may think. Your wifi signals are reflected by people in the next room. With several receivers and a correlator, you can make a 3D image of the people moving in the next room, through the wall. They do not know you are watching, and the wifi still works.
 
@LightningInAJar Well it depends on what application you want to use it for.
Radiowaves have longer wavelengths than visible light for example so if you want to accurately identify small objects close to you you might be better off with a visual video input, or combine both.
 
Using the parallax (Google it) from stereo vision should be much easier, and safer, to implement.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=stereo+camera+depth+estimation
(for some other hints, also try searching for: stereo camera depth)

I seem to recall that a few years ago there were some gaming/VR devices on the market that used that approach. (Microsoft maybe?)

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Baluncore said:
RADAR is more advanced than you may think. Your wifi signals are reflected by people in the next room. With several receivers and a correlator, you can make a 3D image of the people moving in the next room, through the wall. They do not know you are watching, and the wifi still works.
Would that be a pricey project? I assume not portable everywhere a person goes?
 
LightningInAJar said:
Would that be a pricey project?
Everything is more pricey than you would like.
I think you must search and review the literature available.

It seems you are rendering virtual objects into or onto the visual real world.
Optical LIDAR may be more applicable to that task because you do not want to see through walls.

What would you like to happen when you encounter a glass wall, a thin curtain, or a mirror.
 
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Baluncore said:
Optical LIDAR may be more applicable to that task because you do not want to see through walls.
I think the seeing through walls is not straight forward is it? Small walls made from non conducting materials maybe yes, but normal reinforced concrete or thick masonry walls or walls with metal in them would a radar really see through them?
 
artis said:
I think the seeing through walls is not straight forward is it? Small walls made from non conducting materials maybe yes, but normal reinforced concrete or thick masonry walls or walls with metal in them would a radar really see through them?
If wifi passes through the wall, then where is the problem?

It will depend on the wavelength of the wifi and the number of antennas. Wifi frequencies are still rising. The wavelengths available are now significantly shorter than the holes in reinforcing mesh.

One bright point reflector, moving on the other side of the wall, should be sufficient to characterise the wall as a fixed array of scaterers. It should then be possible to deconvolve the reflections from the other side of the wall, creating a 3D image. It would still be possible without the bright point, but it would take longer to establish the matrix.
 

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