Radio doppler experiment (astro)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the purpose and functioning of radio Doppler experiments conducted by landers on Venus and Mars, particularly in the context of measuring Doppler shifts due to planetary motion and other applications such as wind speed measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Doppler shift observed by the landers is due to the planets orbiting the Sun and if the experiment is primarily to measure the planets' velocities.
  • Another participant suggests that the Doppler experiment may relate to measuring wind speeds, drawing a parallel to Doppler radar used in weather forecasting.
  • A different participant provides detailed information about the Planetary Radio Interferometry and Doppler Experiment (PRIDE) for the Europa Jupiter System Mission, outlining its components and purposes, including Doppler tracking and studying propagation media effects.
  • Another participant clarifies that in the Venera 9 mission, the radar Doppler instruments were mainly used for bistatic mapping of Venus's surface to extract surface profiles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary purpose of the Doppler experiments, with some focusing on planetary motion and others on atmospheric measurements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific applications and implications of the Doppler experiments.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the Doppler shift and its causes, as well as the specific methodologies employed in the experiments mentioned. The discussion does not clarify the exact relationship between the Doppler effects and the measurements taken.

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Ive been going through some landers of Venus and Mars and I found they were equipped with radio doppler experiment(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_9 )

I was wondering what this does.
I mean there is radio signal transmitted through space everywhere and i suppose the device would measure this transmitted radio.
But is there doppler shift because the planet the lander is on is orbitting the Sun?
If the planet orbitting the Sun is the reason for doppler shift, is the doppler shift experiment simply to measure how fast the planet is going?
 
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If I had to guess, I'd say that it had to do with wind speed measurements. Something akin to the Doppler radar we use for weather forecasting.
 
This is not a guess.

Planetary Radio Interferometry and Doppler Experiment (PRIDE) for the Europa
Jupiter System Mission
Major components of the initiative scientific study and R&D activity:
1. VLBI tracking of the planetary probes
2. Doppler tracking in the One-Way or Multi-Way signal reception mode
3. Propagation media effects study
4. Direct-to Earth telemetry data reception from planetary probes, landers, penetrators, etc
5. Passive radio spectroscopy of the natural molecular lines from planetary environments

www.planetaryprobe.eu/IPPW7/proceedings/.../Session3/pr525.pdf

There is a specific experiment for measuring the wind speed on Jupiter during the descent of a spacecraft . Google is your friend here.
 
In the Venera 9 mission, radar doppler instruments were primarily intended for bistatic mapping of the surface of Venus, which would permit extraction of surface profiles. For further details see http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_RadarMapping.htm
 

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