How Fast Was the Train in Ballot's Doppler Shift Experiment?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on B. Ballot's Doppler shift experiment conducted in 1845, where a trumpet player on a moving train produced a 463 Hz note while a stationary trumpeter played the same note. The observer noted 5 beats per second, leading to the calculation of the train's speed. Using the formula f1=(v/(v+vs))f, the correct speed of the train was determined to be approximately 3.745 m/s. The confusion arose from misidentifying the frequencies involved, with the correct frequencies being 463 Hz and 468 Hz.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Doppler effect and its application in sound waves
  • Familiarity with frequency calculations and beat frequency concepts
  • Knowledge of basic algebra and manipulation of equations
  • Awareness of sound speed in air, specifically 343 m/s
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the principles of the Doppler effect in various contexts, including light and sound
  • Learn about beat frequency calculations and their applications in acoustics
  • Explore advanced applications of the Doppler effect in astrophysics and radar technology
  • Investigate the impact of environmental factors on sound speed in different mediums
USEFUL FOR

Students studying physics, educators teaching acoustics, and anyone interested in the historical experiments related to the Doppler effect.

bmbradley
Messages
1
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


The Doppler shift was first tested in 1845 by the French scientist B. Ballot. He had a trumpet player sound a 463 Hz note while riding on a flat-car pulled by a locomotive. At the same time, a stationary trumpeter played the same note. Ballot heard 5 beats/s. How fast was the train moving toward him? The speed of sound in air is 343 m/s . Answer in units of m/s.


Homework Equations


f1=(v/(v+vs))f
where f1=463-5=458
v=343 m/s
and f=463


The Attempt at a Solution


458=(343/(343+vs))463
.9892=343/(343+vs)
vs=3.745

I have put in the answer at 3.745 and I also switched f1 and f and got 3.704, but both of those answers are wrong. Please help me figure out what I am doing wrong!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Greetings! The formula for beats is fB = f1 - f2, where f1 is the higher frequency. Thus f1 is the frequency the listener hears from the trumpet on the train, while f2 is the frequency he hears from the stationary trumpet. Therefore, I believe f1 = fB + f2.
 
the above post is correct. the frequencies you are looking for are 463 and 468.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
11K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K